Proposal talk:Nudism

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defining the values more clearly

I think some more thought should be given to the possible values. Since I'm not experienced I don't know about the usual or correct approach to implement, but would just like to point out some options so that hopefully easy and concise usage can be ensured.

Right now it looks like "yes" is a catch-all term for people who just want to get the tag in, while the rest seems to be a bit of a mix between two things: what's allowed, and the legal status, and I think especially the two values customary|permissive (and possibly designated) are at risk of not being understood or often not being used correctly.

In my opinion this comes from the fact that we're describing two different things:

  • what the rules are: allowed | prohibited | mandatory
  • how they have been determined (legal status, if you will): just customary or usual | officially designated as such by the municipality or owner, with signs and possibly clear demarcations

I therefore see these tags being of value:

nudity
value description
yes allowed and generally expected
no prohibited or asking for trouble
obligatory required by official designation or owner

and additionally

legal status
value description
customary prevalent, largely expected
designated specifically designated as such by law or owner


The two options I see would be 1) using two "sets" of values, or maybe undertagging (although I'm not sure how common that is in such instances), or 2) using a gradient that tries to encompass all six main variations. The latter approach is what is being described on the wiki page about the key (https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:nudism) right now, by declaring "designated" as something between "yes" and "obligatory", but then on this proposal page suggesting that this tag should be merged because of synonymity. This I think is not completely correct, and for clarity reasons, I would prefer approach 1), giving two advantages: The legal status could be left out if it's unclear, and in any case it would be good to have a catch-all tag ("yes") that people can just put in and not bother further, but at the same time giving the option for more fine-grained info if people want to be more detailed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Quetzacoatl (talkcontribs) 22:47, 8 March 2021

Since I'm not experienced I don't know about the usual or correct approach to implement...

You might want to start a new proposal and discuss this at tagging, “ат”openstreetmap“ԁοт”org. It is okay to discuss it here, but you will probably find a bigger audience via the mailing list. --Tigerfell This user is member of the wiki team of OSM (Let's talk) 10:11, 9 March 2021 (UTC)

If this tag gets approved...

Someone might like to add it to the items tagged FKK at present http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/search?q=FKK#values I stumbled across such a node marking a nudist beach (with natural=beach also on the node) and had to Google to see what FKK meant: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freikörperkultur

Note also that both nudist and nudism appears in taginfo as both keys and values.

--EdLoach 16:54, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

naturism=*

You mentioned the key naturism=*. Please clarify what this proposal intends to do with this key. Deprecate it? Use it at the same time? --Jgpacker (talk) 12:57, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

I think they are synonims. We should merge both tags maybe.--Xan (talk) 13:23, 2 September 2014 (UTC). See here and that. Nudism is more popular. Better we could merge and allow different values (allow, ...) proposed in page.--Xan (talk) 13:25, 2 September 2014 (UTC)