Proposal talk:Paving stone details
direction
Default should be across. The most paved streets that i know is across.
My english is not the best ...: Vielleicht verstehe ich den Satz auch falsch? "following" ist auch kein schönes Wort das zu beschreiben. Das kann ja alles mögliche heissen. Ich kann mit der kurzen Seite dem Bordstein folgen oder der langen. Herrje, ich kanns nichmal auf Deutsch richtig beschreiben.
Ein Beispiel: http://www.ks-tiefbau.de/img/pflaster-600.jpg ist Standard, (beim Längs verlegen hat man recht flink Spurrillen) Dex2000 (talk) 18:49, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
- Ich habe auch Probleme, das treffend zu beschreiben. Bei den Abbildungen der Beispielbilder für die Muster soll die Richtung nach oben gehen, d.h. wenn man den Weg entlangläuft, würde man standardmäßig das Pflaster so wie im Bild rechts sehen. Hältst du das so für sinnvoll oder sollte ich es ändern?
- (en) I'm also struggling to describe that well. I intended the direction in the pattern example images to point upwards, i.e. when you walk along the way, you would see the paving stones as in the image on the right. Is that ok for you or should I change it? --Tordanik 13:00, 30 July 2015 (UTC)
- Yes, the image is the default, but its not following (along) the street - its across. vote vor change: "then paving stone patterns should default *across* the way's" Dex2000 (talk) 13:14, 30 July 2015 (UTC)
- Hi, vielleicht können wir das ja doch noch klären. Der Pfeil, den ich eingezeichnet habe, wäre in meinen Augen die Richtung des Musters. Du scheinst das intuitiv anders zu sehen? Gibts da einen Grund dafür? --Tordanik 14:11, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
- Ok, möglicherweise reden wir tatsächlich von anderen Dingen. Ich möchte mal veranschaulichen, was ICH "intuitiv" mein(t)e:
- Vielleicht veranschaulicht mein Quer/Längs-Problem besser, wenn man etwas grösser denkt. Nehmen wir ein Auto, was nahezu exakt die selben Proportionen hat wie ein Pflasterstein (zumindest wie die im Bild) hat. Wenn ich das Auto jetzt so auf die Strasse stelle, wie die Pflastersteine liegen dann steht es quer zur Strasse. Schlechtes Beispiel?
- Dex2000 (talk) 14:52, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
- Aaah, ich glaub jetzt versteh ich was du meinst. Du gehst die Sache also von der Lage der Steine her an. Ist natürlich beim Schlüsselnamen "paving_stone:direction" auch recht naheliegend... So gesehen hast du Recht: Die Steine liegen quer zur Straße.
- Was ich meine ist eigentlich was anderes, nämlich die Ausrichtung des Musters. Das sind m.E. zwei unabhängige Faktoren, siehe am Beispiel half_bond im Bild rechts. Was meinst du, ist das sinnvoll? Auf jeden Fall sollte ich die Dokumentation noch verbessern. --Tordanik 16:05, 4 November 2015 (UTC)
- Yes, the image is the default, but its not following (along) the street - its across. vote vor change: "then paving stone patterns should default *across* the way's" Dex2000 (talk) 13:14, 30 July 2015 (UTC)
Specifying default values is always problematic, especially if the default value is not obvious at all. I suggest to not specify a default value. Problem solved. --Scai (talk) 18:42, 4 November 2015 (UTC)
Typo in "details" box?
Tagging: paving_stones_*=*
Shouldn't the second underscore be a colon?
--G0ldfish (talk) 08:51, 30 July 2015 (UTC)
- Thanks, fixed. --Tordanik 12:21, 30 July 2015 (UTC)
Missing Paving stone pattern
Tagging: paving_stones:shape=square & paving_stones:pattern=diagonal
This pattern is very often. Sorry for the bad example: [1] (RoGer6) 21:30, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
- Isn't this the same as stack_bond, but rotated by 45 degrees? That could be tagged as
- paving_stones:shape=square
- paving_stones:pattern=stack_bond
- paving_stones:orientation=45
- --Tordanik 13:01, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
- Können wir auch deutsch zu Ende diskutieren?
- Natürlich hast du recht. Wäre mir aber viel zu umständlich zu taggen. Viele würden sicherlich lieber ...pattern=diagonal taggen.
- Oder beschreibe dieses Beispiel mit Skizze (diagonale Quadratisch Steine) einfach unter paving_stone=direction, eine zusätzliche Skizze dort macht dieses Tagging "begreiflicher", zumal die Rändereinfassung ja nicht diagonal ist, aber das wäre zu kompliziert. RoGer6 17:55, 27.Oct 2015
Generalizing for other types of pavements
Following from this discussion, I would like to suggest embracing other types of surfaces, such as sett
and unhewn_cobblestone
, thus changing the namespace from paving_stones
simply to paving
, such as paving:pattern
and paving:colour
. Some values I have suggested there that are not included in this proposal yet (most from this reference): random
, europeanfan
, bogen
, guilloche
, mosaic
, crazy
(meaning crazy paving), and plates
(possible substitute for surface=concrete:plates. --Fernando Trebien (talk) 23:55, 13 March 2018 (UTC)
I'm a big fan of the proposal! This being said, I would indeed love the generalization as well, as this would mean I could retag my work on sett in Bruges into this bigger scheme (which I'll gladyly do). Please read [my conclusions in my diary](https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Pieter%20Vander%20Vennet/diary/43120#comment41229). If the tagging proposal can be modified slightly as to include my mapping, I'll certainly vote in favour.
Also, I don't really get why we would use 'paving:colour' instead of 'colour'. Is there a nuance I'm missing?
@Fernando: what is the 'bogen' pattern you talk of? I used 'bogen' (the Dutch word) for a certain pattern I often saw in Bruges, until I realized I'd better use 'arc' and replaced all --Pietervdvn (talk) 14:02, 15 March 2018 (UTC)
- I followed this British reference, but of course we could use
arc
instead. --Fernando Trebien (talk) 14:29, 15 March 2018 (UTC)
- Though searching on Google Images it seems that
bogen
is often used to refer to pavement patterns, whilearc
is applied to a broader scope. --Fernando Trebien (talk) 14:30, 15 March 2018 (UTC)
Add paving_stones:material=* because it can be made of different material
Some one are stone bricks, another maybe real bricks, concreate
So I think paving_stones:material=* can be added to the draft, and I've already write it in https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:surface%3Dpaving_stones to let other people criticize it. --快乐的老鼠宝宝 (talk) 15:41, 12 September 2021 (UTC)
Besides, if the whole draft is difficult to raise, you can split it to different small key.
--快乐的老鼠宝宝 (talk) 15:44, 12 September 2021 (UTC)
- The paving_stone:material key seems useful, thanks for adding it to Tag:surface=paving_stones. I haven't done the necessary research to suggest a list of values, though, so I'll likely leave this to someone else to propose. --Tordanik 18:44, 20 September 2021 (UTC)