Talk:Key:species:de
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Scientific name?
AFAIK it holds rather common name in German Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 08:51, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
- No, this is the 2nd part of the scientific name, which can't be translated to German. Common German name is taxon:de.
taxon (Quercus robur) = genus (Quercus) + species (rubur)
genus:de=Eiche
species:de=rubur
taxon:de=Stieleiche Fabi2 (talk) 00:55, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- On the Wiki we describe how something IS used, not how it SHOULD be used. Of course, we write about the latter as well, but not without usage information. Just look at Taginfo and you can see that the names are in German. The sentence "The species=* can not be translated to German" doesn't describe how this tag is used. See e.g. Key:species:en or Key:species:cs for comparison. For Latin there is Key:species. In addition, the "The second part" part is not understandable to me. The statement that "species" contains the "second part" of a species is contrary to documentation on Wiki and actual usage. And what do you mean by "The species=* can not be translated to German"? Of course there can be a species name in German. Example:
- species = Loxodonta africana,
- species:en = African bush elephant,
- species:de = Afrikanischer Elefant. https://species.wikimedia.org/wiki/Loxodonta_africana And taxon is not the same as species! See w:de:Taxon. maro21 21:27, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- On the Wiki we describe how something IS used, not how it SHOULD be used. Of course, we write about the latter as well, but not without usage information. Just look at Taginfo and you can see that the names are in German. The sentence "The species=* can not be translated to German" doesn't describe how this tag is used. See e.g. Key:species:en or Key:species:cs for comparison. For Latin there is Key:species. In addition, the "The second part" part is not understandable to me. The statement that "species" contains the "second part" of a species is contrary to documentation on Wiki and actual usage. And what do you mean by "The species=* can not be translated to German"? Of course there can be a species name in German. Example:
- Your are right, that the tag is now used for, what the creator has intended as use for taxon:de=*. The creator of the tags taxon=*, genus=* and species=* see it in the scientific, taxonomic sense and there is species the 2nd part of the scientific name. But most people understand species as in common, everyday and also scientific use, describing a taxon=*, maybe due to bad wiki documentation. The problem is, that there are now two meanings for a tag named the same and only have a language suffix of ":de". This is as if you define that name=* is the name of an object and name:de=* should be the German name of the operator=* instead. So this issue should be resolved somehow, so that the people who us it as intended by the tag creator and in the logic of the other tags, don't produce messy data, due to species=* having an other meaning as species:xx=*. --Fabi2 (talk) 13:32, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
- @maro21: Predominant use on taginfo is now as described by you, but there are also 50 000 uses as intended by the creator of taxon=* on the first twelve pages of taginfo. So taxon=* (232k uses) should be deprecated and maybe moved to species=* via an automated edit. --Fabi2 (talk) 14:26, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
- Can we restore the previous version of this page? This looks like a deprecation of species:de in favour of taxon:de, also is confusing, the descriptions says about "the second part...in latin". In OSM we don't tag species values with the second part only (we tag species="Acer platanoides", not "platanoides", we tag "Quercus robur", not "Robur"). Also the species:de tag is obviously for names in german, not latin. I would restore the previous version. --Ivanbranco (talk) 08:18, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- As I made the edit to this and some other related pages, I don't know, how the tag is now used. Because I understand the intention of its original creator (may require some deeper biological knowledge), I changed the pages to fit this intention (without checking Taginfo before), but as the usage has changed (to the common understanding of species), my changes can be undone (already done for this page). --Fabi2 (talk) 03:28, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Can we restore the previous version of this page? This looks like a deprecation of species:de in favour of taxon:de, also is confusing, the descriptions says about "the second part...in latin". In OSM we don't tag species values with the second part only (we tag species="Acer platanoides", not "platanoides", we tag "Quercus robur", not "Robur"). Also the species:de tag is obviously for names in german, not latin. I would restore the previous version. --Ivanbranco (talk) 08:18, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- @maro21: Predominant use on taginfo is now as described by you, but there are also 50 000 uses as intended by the creator of taxon=* on the first twelve pages of taginfo. So taxon=* (232k uses) should be deprecated and maybe moved to species=* via an automated edit. --Fabi2 (talk) 14:26, 21 July 2024 (UTC)