Talk:Key:stars

Michelin Guide

"Please use the most current edition of the Michelin Guie as a reference." What license is it on the Michelin Guide? Can we freely import this, or do we need a permission to use this data? --Skippern 08:54, 18 August 2010 (BST)

This tagging is best used if the mapper has been at the hotel and knows it is Michelin-awarded.

As Frederik Ramm explains [1]

"..., if a hotel displayed its Michelin rating at the entrance then:

* you are of course allowed to take a photo;

* if you want to use that photo in any way, then it depends on whether or not the Michelin rating display was done in a way creative enough to attract copyright;

** if it is not creative enough then you can do what you want;

** if it is creative enough then you require the copyright holder's permission to distribute or otherwise use the photo

But of course we weren't talking about the photo per se, but about the question whether you could put the rating in the OSM database, and I believe that even if the Michelin rating is displayed in a way so artful that it attracts copyright, the *fact* that the hotel has a certain rating will not be copyrightable.

Of course, if you lift the info from a restaurant guide then, in Europe, you're up against database law which protects the collection of all ratings rather than the individual rating.

Bye Frederik"

/Johan Jönsson 09:05, 27 July 2012 (BST)

Edelweiss

There are some more symbols to classify specific facilities. For example there are "Edelweiss", Stars, "Hauben" (English equivalent?), diamonds and some more. IMHO the tag stars is more than unhappy chosen, is there any better tag out there waiting for approval? Thanks in advance, Lukas --Bierbo 18:58, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

when in dispute write out the organization

I suggest that the organization awarding the stars, or doing the rating, could be given if there are several contradicting ratings on the same hotel. For the european system that is presented in the article it could look like this:

• stars:HOTREC=3
• stars:hotelstarsunion=3

(I´m not sure if the name of the star system or the organization behind it should be named). I still urge people to tag as simple as possible, and only use this when unsure. /Johan Jönsson 17:48, 6 July 2012 (BST)

To clarify, HOTREC is an umbrella organization that works for a common hotelstar system, but not all members of HOTREC follow it. For example, the danish hotel.dk is apart of HOTREC but have there own starsystem organization called HORESTA. So using stars:HOTREC probably will be a bit confusing./Johan Jönsson 19:32, 26 July 2012 (BST)

Bad Idea

Where can I object to this? Brycenesbitt (talk) 06:15, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

I second this notion. --501ghost (talk) 10:28, 8 January 2023 (UTC)

Verifiability

When there is more than one association or board which is awarding stars, this may not be objective. Some sources of "star" ratings may be copyrighted and cannot be added to the OpenStreetMap database due to incompatible licensing. --Jeisenbe (talk) 14:33, 13 March 2020 (UTC)

I think, you have a good point here. Over all, OSM means mapping what you see. If the hotel, rstaurant or whatever has a sign, which states a number of stars, it can go to the map. If the stars should be more specified, I recommend the tag stars:type = Michelin (That's the only named system I know). The copyright does not inhibit adding them to OSM, it mainly inhibit awarding them to some restaurant. Only Michelin can award Michelin ratings. --MeastroGlanz (talk) 08:28, 14 March 2020 (UTC)

So if I open a hotel here in Indonesia, I can put up a sign that says "5 stars" on the door, and then add stars=5 to my hotel's node in OpenStreetMap? I don't think you mean that: if so, then many hotel owners will inflate their star level in this way. --Jeisenbe (talk) 14:44, 14 March 2020 (UTC)

You might be able to physically do that, but after a while, either a governmental agency tells you not to do that depending on your local legislation, a competitor sues you for unfair methods according to some rules of the trade, or the booking systems unlist you for failing to hold up to their standards. Then the next OSM mapper reverts your hotel. Unless of course you hold up to the standards. And as said above, the fact that a facility I'm standing is front of bears a number of symbols cannot be copyrightable. A collection of such might be. --Polarbear w (talk) 22:52, 14 March 2020 (UTC)

Re: "a governmental agency tells you not to ... a competitor sues you ... or the booking systems unlist" - None of these will happen in Indonesia, or in the USA from what I can tell. --Jeisenbe (talk) 10:48, 15 March 2020 (UTC)

I agree with Polarbear. Concerning the Indonesian example: In this case, the "stars:system" would be "none". Indicating, that they just made it up. This is a very theoretical example and solves itself in real world pretty quick. Futhermore, it is not the maps task and duty to solve political or commercial problems. --MeastroGlanz (talk) 10:16, 15 March 2020 (UTC)

Re: 'In this case, the "stars:system" would be "none"' - By what standard? The sign on the door says "5 stars." That's the problem with this tag: it doesn't say who gave the stars. --Jeisenbe (talk) 10:47, 15 March 2020 (UTC)

In this case we just tag what we see. --Polarbear w (talk) 12:02, 15 March 2020 (UTC)

I assumed, that we know at this point. --MeastroGlanz (talk) 18:01, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

What about stars:michelin?

Hello, the problem with this tag associated with stars:system is that you cannot have two coexisting systems. I think adding a key specific to Michelin would be pertinent because 1- it’s recognized in the whole world; 2- it’s quite easy to verify (go to the restaurant or check Michelin’s website); 3- it’s rarely updated (there are some restaurants that have had a star for 20+ years). I don’t think there is a legal issue associated with this otherwise Wikipedia wouldn’t have a page dedicated to it. A more generic tag name could be something like distinction:michelin_stars so that the prefix could be used for other non-stars distinctions. -- Baprischka (talk) 16:47, 8 January 2023 (UTC)