Talk:Key:statue
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What value could be used for... people? maro21 23:07, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
- When speaking about statues of people, common distinction is between equestrian statues (used mostly for political leaders), people standing and people sitting. If a statue is not depicting an animal than it is implicit that it is of a person. —Dieterdreist (talk) 23:44, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
- So if there is a statue with: king, composer, pope, writer, president, Jesus, statue=* shouldn't be used? maro21 23:54, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
- The statue=* key is anything but mature. I am not sure which value should be used for your examples. In general, a statue is a sculpture of a person, or animal, typically standing, but there are common variations (on a horse, sitting). There are also already established tags to identify the person that is depicted. --Dieterdreist (talk) 00:01, 11 December 2021 (UTC)
- So if there is a statue with: king, composer, pope, writer, president, Jesus, statue=* shouldn't be used? maro21 23:54, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
Ideas for «statue=*»
Just few ideas.
Put things together
There's a need to organize and group the different types of statues.
Back to Art
What is a statue?
- a type of sculpture.
- in 3 dimensions (full-round) unlike "high-reliefs" and "low-reliefs"
- a medium-sized sculpture that represents a human, a deity or an animal.
- "medium" means equal to or greater than half the natural size (of a human), below this half it is a statuette or a figurine.
- It's possible to classify it by "genre" (ex: nude) and "style" (combination of visual elements, techniques and methods) like classic, renaissance, modern ....
In OpenStreetMap
So it's a bit different.
We have "artwork_type=statue" used for figurative works and "artwork_type=sculpture" which is recommended for non-figurative works
And we have 3 different ways to map the statues because we distinguish between "memorial" ones (small and large) and "non-memorial" ones.
Which give :
- artwork_type=statue + statue=*
- memorial=statue + statue=*
- monument=statue + statue=*
Classification
First we need to avoid having a huge list of statue=* :
- statue=name 1
- statue=name 2
- statue=name 3
- ...
You can imagine with the Hindu pantheon which has 330 million gods !
In my opinion, we should use some "kind of statue" categories to put information in this tag.
For example in the current wiki page we have:
- statue=virgin (Mary)
- statue = saint
- statue = buddha
In fact these three statues have something in common, they are linked to religion !
So "statue=religion" would be better than "statue=buddha"
Buddha should be in the name=*
And in the future, "statue=religion" might be refined with "religion=*" and maybe even more information.
Research
So I tried to find "kinds of statues" based as much as possible on artistic criteria.
For example "statue=equestrian" wasn't very hard to find because it's a well-documented style of statue.
So you will find below :
1/ A table which is a summary with all "statue=*" tags with a small comment.
2/ Followed by 3 tables with visual examples for artworks, memorials and monuments.
Good reading !
Summary
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| Pure artistic works without any dedication and/or commemoration | |
| statue=allegory | Pure artistic allegory. No dedication and presence of symbolic features |
| statue=mythology | Statue linked to mythology (greek, roman,etc.) by her subject. |
| statue=funeral_art | Pure funeral artwork. No dedication. Unidentified people. |
| statue=equestrian | Pure artistic artwork. No dedication. Unidentified people and horses. |
| statue=animal | Pure animal artwork. No dedication. No allegories but « naturalist » style. |
| Memorials (historic=memorial) | |
| Statues to commemorate something, somebody,... | |
| statue=allegory | Allegory dedicated to something, somebody (presence of symbolic features). |
| statue=public_figure | Statue dedicated to a public figure. |
| statue=representative_figure | Statue dedicated, through a representative, to a group of people (social class, members of an organization, inhabitants of a city, country, ...). |
| statue=religious_figure | Statue linked to religion by her subject : gods, divinities, saints,... |
| statue=funeral_art | Funeral statue of identified people.
In this category of statues it's possible to distinguish different types :
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| statue=equestrian | Equestrian statue of an identified person. |
| statue=animal | Memorial statue dedicated to one or more identified animal(s). |
| Monuments (historic=monument) | |
| Monumental statues to commemorate something, somebody,... | |
| statue=allegory | Monumental dedicated allegory. |
| statue=public_figure | Monumental dedicated statue to a public figure. |
| statue=representative_figure | Monumental dedicated statue to a group of people through a representative. |
| statue=religious_figure | Monumental dedicated religious statue. |
| statue=equestrian | Monumental dedicated equestrian statue. |
| statue=animal | Monumental dedicated animal statue. |
Tables
STATUE=* FOR ARTWORKS
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Cybereric 00:51, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
Discussion
- I think it looks good, however, I didn't read everything carefully, sorry. And what value could be used for people - statue=public_figure? My question from the previous thread still stands - what value would you give in the case of a king, composer, pope, writer, president, Jesus? maro21 16:50, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
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- Hello,
To answer your question it's necessary to go a little further in tagging.
Look at the tables above. I've updated them with a new column called « To go further ».
And I've made two changes in tags :- religion => religious_figure
- funeral => funeral_art
- I think it's better.
So for public figures we have :
memorial=statue
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statue=public_figure
We just need to add a value for public_figure=*
So for this gives the following :- historic=memorial
- memorial=statue
- statue=public_figure
- public_figure= emperor / empress / king / queen / statesman / president / politician / soldier / scientist / artist / writer / ...
And for religious_figures :- historic=memorial
- memorial=statue
- statue=religious_figure
- religious_figure= god / goddess / divinity / saint / pope / priest / monk / yogi / guru / sant / lama /...
Of course after that we can add the name=* and other « classical » tags
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EXAMPLES :
- Hello,
- An example with the image of a saint used on the page statue=*.
- historic=memorial
- memorial=statue
- statue=religious_figure
- religious_figure=saint
- religion=christian
- denomination=catholic
- name=San Pietro
- name:en=Saint Peter
- name:fr=Saint Pierre
- wikipedia=it:San Pietro (Michelangelo)
- wikidata=Q1774747
- artist_name=Michelangelo Buonarroti
- artist:wikipedia=it:Michelangelo Buonarroti
- artist:wikidata=Q5592
- subject:wikipedia=it:Pietro (apostolo)
- subject:wikidata=Q33923
- material=marble
- height=1.24 m
- start_date=1501
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Another example with one of the image in this page.
- An example with the image of a saint used on the page statue=*.
- historic=memorial
- memorial=statue
- statue=public_figure
- public_figure=soldier
- name=Frederic John Walker
- subject:wikipedia=en:Frederic John Walker
- subject:wikidata=Q178917
- artist_name=Tom Murphy
- artist:wikipedia=en:Tom Murphy (artist)
- artist:wikidata=Q7816974
- material=bronze
- start_date=1998-10-16
- [...]
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A last one with another image from above.