Proposal talk:Civic admin

Reasoning for new landuse tags

Basic land uses are shown either through landuse=* or amenity=* applied to an area. Landuse is defined by the class of purpose, rather than the more narrow Amenity values. But there are several classes of buildings that are not currently represented. civic_admin is proposed to fill in one of those missing values. It follows the idea of the other landuse values - residential, retail, commercial, and religious, which give you a rough idea of the landuse's purpose, but do not narrowly define it's purpose - which is left to building=* and amenity=* tagged on the buildings and areas contained within the landuse.

Many town centers are filled with governmental complexes, centers, and buildings, without a corresponding landuse tag. This includes City halls and regional / national leadership buildings, Council and legislative centers, and Administration and licensing agencies (such as the Department of Motor Vehicles). civic_admin roughly defines the landuse for these buildings.It has been suggested by some to use landuse=commercial for these facilities, but that is a misleading and incorrect use of the value. civic_admin is a better solution to the problem.

Other cultures

What about e.g. islamic countries where there is a lot of overlap between religion and "the state"? A courtroom is both "civic admin/judicial" and "religious" at the same time.

In some countries there could also be overlap between civic admin and military. --Csmale (talk) 07:14, 9 March 2015 (UTC)

landuse=civic

landuse=civic_admin is too narrow in focus. It makes more sense to me to use the more generic landuse=civic which can also be used on other government properties that are not involved in administrative functions like libraries, fire stations, social services, etc.--Rassilon (talk) 13:31, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

I agree. For some reason, the author of this proposal, Javbw created this after he made the landuse=civic page. I would like to mark this as abandoned (can you do that for a Draft?) and reinstate the proposal process for the landuse=civic page. I could handle the process. This is such a needed tag. --Lectrician1 (talk) 19:42, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

I made this after because the total and complete opposition to landuse=civic, as some people thought it was way too vague. I want a landuse to match building=civic, but people really hated that, so I split =civic into "=civic_admin" & "=civic_services" - governing/legislating/paperwork buildings on =civic_admin, and city services (such as community centers, libraries, and other community operated buildings) on =civic_services. Civic_admin was the first I made because mapping the "city hall", "city hall branch" and "prefectural capital" complexes in Japan was a priority to me then, and they are treated totally differently than commercial landuses in Japan. But there was little support for any of it at the time. Perhaps the landuse=civic_services is unnecessary now, but civic_admin still seems necessary, but I gave it up and went on to cleaning up the tagging of rivers and cycling roads. please do as you see fit (close, extend, etc) with any proposals I have made around civic / civic_admin --Javbw (talk) 00:19, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

That's a pity. I have run into this tagging issue while adding landuses in my area. This proposal seems relatively well thought out so I may start to use the "public" prefixed versions suggested in landuse=civic. Invidious (talk) 06:34, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

I recently fixed hundreds of town halls in my state and found that in rural areas they tend to combine the Town Hall, Police Station & Library in one building. I have also seen Town Hall, Police Station & Post Office in one building. And other combinations. Thus this tag needs to be more general landuse=civic It could then be refined with civic=* if needed.--Rassilon (talk) 13:50, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

And landuse=civic would fit in well with landuse=residential, landuse=commercial, and landuse=industrial. That is, generic enough to hint at the general land use, and with the ability to specify via sub-keys. Often, mappers will either not know which subset of civic land use something is, or there is a mixed land use like your example. Being able to query all landuse=civic in a place is interesting as well. --JeroenHoek (talk) 08:37, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

I'm liking the landuse=civic option more and more. I can echo Rassilon's observation. In my area the Parks and Recreation Department is in the same building as the police station so distinguishing between civic_safety, civic_admin, and civic_services is frequently not worthwhile. Additional keys could provide these details. Invidious (talk) 14:46, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

That's the government office though. Both of them are still in civilian administration. A hall and library would not be the same as a police station and fire station (or even a jail, currently unique in the landuse=prison suggestion).

I imagine landuse=civic should be related to landuse=institutional as how landuse=retail is to landuse=commercial.

For reference, the zoning is often named "Institutional and Community".

---- Kovposch (talk) 05:35, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

landuse=institutional

Someone added Tag:landuse=institutional - I put a merge box on top of that article.

For me landuse is a larger scale property extending at least a quarter between streets. For smaller contiguous areas an amenity=* should be sufficient. For amenities with the same name and purpose scattered among several buildings the site relation should be adequate. --Seichter (talk) 17:36, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

I propose Tag:landuse=institutional. It feels more KIS to me. "civic_admin" is a term I can't keep in my mind. And I don't think this is a feature which needs a thounds words to explain. To much to explain --> to complicated. --EinKonstanzer (talk) 18:52, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

landuse=education(al)

I think to have a separate tag for this is a rather good idea! Is education(al) a proper term for schools, vocational schools, universities, colleges, kindergarden, etc. ???

--EinKonstanzer (talk) 16:41, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

Dutch situation

In Dutch zoning regulations, area's for schools etc. are given the designation "maatschappelijk". This translates to words like "social", "societal", "civic", areas for providing public services. I can also live with "institutional" though. --Kars (talk) 10:50, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

Taginfo

landuse=civic_admin
landuse=civic_administration
landuse=civic
landuse=education
landuse=educational
landuse=institution
landuse=institutional
landuse=governmental
landuse=public
landuse=school

landuse=governmental

Opposecivic_admin is composed of multiple words. It's not concise enough —Preceding unsigned comment added by 快乐的老鼠宝宝 (talk • contribs) 04:41, 4 September 2021‎

This is the talk-page, not a voting page. Besides, the proposal is currently in an abandoned state. If you have a better idea, propose it. --JeroenHoek (talk) 07:51, 4 September 2021 (UTC)