Proposal talk:Automated external defibrillator

Choice of key

This should not be amenity but medical emergency. --Lulu-Ann (updated)

Although amenity=aed does not give the meaning away without research, some people may find amenity=defibrillator too unspecific, as we specifically want to tag automated defibrillators for the public use.

Abreviations are prone to misunderstanding. It would be better to use automated_external_defibrillator, than a little known abreviation. --trig222 16:33, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

How about using the key "healthcare" instead of "amenity"? S.A.L. 10:33, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Since the key amenity also includes values like "doctor", "hospital", or "emergency_phone" I thought it would be sufficient. Do you think I should change this before proposing it? --MatsH 10:03, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

This should be located under the tag medical=* --Lulu-Ann 15:42, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

I agree. We need a tag for this, but this really doesn't match with the sense of an "amenity". Steven Le Roux

I support this tag - I think it's of great importance to get this tag spread, since the existance of AEDs is becoming more and more aware from the public. I'd also go for Lulu-Ann's suggestion to use the tag medical=aed, even though amenity has been abused for so many tags in the past, I think first-aid/medical(aed, doctor, hospital, emergency_phone, ...) stuff deserves an extra key.--MapperOG 15:16, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

Whatever the tag and key is, i think this tag is really important because all the first aid formation in France use this thing --Selenium134 20 March 2010

I changed the key from amenity to medical, RFC now --MatsH

Proposal changed from medical to emergency as of july 2012. I think we should send out a new RFC. /Johan Jönsson 21:37, 24 July 2012 (BST) RFC sent2012-07-26.

Key:emergency

I think Key:emergency would me more suitable than Key:medical. --Head 13:13, 18 August 2010 (BST)

I don't think so. This is surely a medical device. Don't split up too much, map renderers will end up in thousands of tags instead of keys. Lulu-Ann

I agree to better use the Key:emergency --chris66 15:35, 5 October 2010 (BST)

I agree to better use the Key:emergency - even look to the aed-map (zoom-europe) - most are Key:emergency. --Jan Tappenbeck 15:19, 9 October 2010 (BST)

I agree to better use the Key:emergency - AED are used in emergencies only as first aid like emergency:phone or emergency=fire_extinguisher --Ngt 01:15, 20 July 2011 (BST)

I agree to better use the c - I second Ngt's argument: This is more like a fire extinguisher than a doctor. --Silanea 15:30, 21 July 2011 (BST)

I agree to better use the Key:emergency --Magne 09:28, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

I also think Key:emergency would fit better. --hendrik-17(Diskussion) 17:54, 12 April 2012 (BST)

I also prefer Key:emergency as an AED is an emergency facility. Markus Kuhn 15:30, 13 July 2012 (BST)

I also prefer emergency=*. I just found out about that key and immediatly went to see if defibrillator was a value. /Johan Jönsson 21:37, 24 July 2012 (BST)

Generally I would prefere emergency=*, but JOSM presets offer medical=aed (would have to be changed) and therefor it is more widespread also it seems that emergency is a key used for access rights (over 14000 highway according to taginfo) - this is wrong in my opinion, access control deserves a "namespace". Having said that I still believe emergency is the right place. --LM 1 10:06, 26 July 2012 (BST):

I agree to better use the Key:emergency --Thomas Wermter (talk) 22:46, 9 February 2013 (UTC)

I agree to emergency. --Lulu-Ann (talk) 10:34, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

Associated attributes

Contact details

AEDs are often located next to a receptionist or some other nearby trained person with a phone. Adding their phone number as well to an AED might help a first aider substantially in accessing the AED. A specialized smartphone app could make it possible to ring the phone numbers associated with the nearest AEDs by just pressing a single button. Markus Kuhn 15:23, 13 July 2012 (BST)

Address

to find the aed better it would be nice to tag the address. for more details use aed:note=* --Jan Tappenbeck 13:06, 5 October 2010 (BST)

AEBs are mostly find in public buildings. The tagging should help to find the device in large buildings, thus containing information about the floor, etc. --Peperkorn 22:23, 10 May 2012

Availability

Many AEDs are located inside buildings which are not open 24/7. I would suggest an optional tag to mark this. Perhaps Key:opening_hours = --Magne 09:32, 22 February 2012 (UTC) Yes Key:opening_hours and Key:indoor Brycenesbitt (talk) 20:03, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

notes for this poi

i would like to prefer {tag|aed:note|*} for english and {tag|aed:note:*|*} for other languages to descript position and other informations.--Lübeck 21:02, 13 July 2012 (BST)

Last Checked Date

Please consider formalizing Key:operating_status or Key:lastchecked. Sending someone to find an aed that was removed hurts, not helps.

Expressions of support

Sounds like a great Idea. --CNelke 22:28, 15 August 2012 (BST)

Use in Brest

The cityhall of Brest(Britain in France) is interessed to use this tag to localised all the defibrillators in the town. The health departement think it's very important to offert this service to the users. It allows to save some lives.

Filyg 13:43, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

AEDEM – AED European Map

Seems an initiative that aims to map all AED's in Europe, by now they use google maps and they started in Poland AEDEM

Finishing this Proposal

Since MatsH seemst to be no longer participating, I suggest to finish this proposal on our own. It is too important to leave it alone. I will start a RFV tomorrow. --Ssbds (talk) 09:02, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

Abbrevation / Full name

Some users in the voting claimed that the use of the full name would be better than just the abbrevation AED. I see the point but this should have been done in the discussion phase. Now we are voting and according to the rules, there sould be no more change be made while voting. --Ssbds (talk) 09:06, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

I think the use of defibrillator is a good suggestion, no abbreviation ad same meaning. Bredy 20:20, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

The rules also say: "All suggestions should be taken into account before a proposal is approved or rejected." (Although they are unclear how exactly that should happen.) So I hope we can still find out after the vote whether those who were in favour of it would also approve a renamed tag. --Tordanik 09:24, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

what is the result ?

When i read correct the winner is emergency=defibrillator- but when you look at Tag-Statistic the winner are other tag-combinations ! --Lübeck (talk) 06:21, 28 November 2013 (UTC)

The tag statistics does not help here since the vote is about changing the current practice. Of course, the old documented version is more used than something new proposed on this wiki page and still under discussion. Contributors used 'emergency=aed' because they had no alternative at that time and still today, 'aed' is the only option when you look at the wiki map features page. Providing the stats is just an attempt to influence voters that, after all, one version is effectively in use and then, trying to change to something better would be useless --Pieren (talk) 15:17, 28 November 2013 (UTC)

I agree that usage isn't really meaningful in this case because only one value had originally been documented. On a related note, shouldn't voting have be declared finished for a while? --Tordanik 17:15, 15 December 2013 (UTC)

So why not nominate emergency=defibrillator as winner? --LordOfMaps (talk) 15:34, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

Rendering

• We need an emergency features map. Who wants to make one? Please link here.
• AED (emergency=aed) are already rendered on OSM-FR tiles, example: http://tile.openstreetmap.fr/?zoom=17&lat=44.12069&lon=4.83901&layers=B000000FFFF - Cquest (talk) 07:01, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

Locked vs. Open Access

Brycenesbitt (talk) 19:04, 12 October 2013 (UTC) how do we map an AED with a code or key needed?