Proposal talk:City parking zone as parking:condition value

Not really useful?

As you say, for the purposes of collecting data, it is very useful to support such a value. However, when it comes to actually mapping this and inputting consumeable data into OSM, I think adding city_parking_zone makes very little sense. If the rules are the same everywhere, it is very easy to add that using JOSM. Otherwise, you would need to support extra tags that say what this new value means, or if you in the end change this value for the actual ones, it's more like an unnecessary placeholder. --Riiga (talk) 07:56, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

@Riiga: "If the rules are the same everywhere, it is very easy to add that using JOSM" - not really, as such zone may include parts where parking is forbidden and roads that are not parts of city parking zone but are a private area. This needs to be surveyed. Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 14:55, 15 January 2022 (UTC)

Are parking zones signed?

So the extend of the parking zone "A1" can be seen on a map. But when directly being on-site, will there be a sign of a sort? Or will such signs only be visible when entering the whole zone from the outside on some kind of large sign on a arterial road? --Westnordost (talk) 20:51, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

In case of Kraków: There are signed, but not very consistently, and signs are typically placed once zone was created and not maintained after that. Signs are also NOT including detailed rules, only zone code and info that it is paid. I can take photos of them. Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 09:58, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

So this means that a surveyor on-site may think that "there is no parking restriction here", right? (I mean, this is a general issue I guess, not with the proposal, just checking on the nature of those parking zones because I am unfamiliar with it) --Westnordost (talk) 10:06, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

city_parking_zone as a intermittent tag?

You mention that when a parking is tagged as city_parking_zone, that it can be complemented later. Two questions: 1. So is city_parking_zone only used intermittently? I.e. until someone else fills in the concrete rules? 2. So Krakow has several different parking zones: A1, B11, C3 etc. Wouldn't the information to which parking zone a parking belongs be necessary (to record) too to infer the rules? --Westnordost (talk) 20:56, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

Yes, that's the way I see this tag and why I don't find it useful other than as a stop-gap measure for data to be filled, which can all be done locally in your editor without the need for a formally approved tag. I'd rather the rules are specified explicitly at each parking. The alternative could be a relation that groups all particular city_parking_zones and contains the rules for all of them, but that seems needelessly complicated for what should be simple tagging on ways. --Riiga (talk) 05:47, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

In case of Kraków only payment differs between zones (and subscription, including one bought by residents is for specific zone if I remember well), so rules tagged in OSM are the same across city Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 09:57, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

Well, and I guess which zone exactly IF the rules differ can be taken from another source. But that leaves question 1: Is this tag value supposed to be replaced by the concrete rules later then? If yes, what if the rules of that city parking zone change? When city_parking_zone is not present anymore, people will not know anymore which had explicit signage and which was just within that zone --Westnordost (talk) 10:04, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

related existing tags?

There seem to exist tags like parking:ticket:zone, parking:zone and similar parking:*:*zone* tags in use, although they do not seem to be terribly well documented. Could you clarify how they relate to this proposal? Also possibly related / interesting: Proposed_features/Residential_Zoned_Parking and pl:Tag:zone=parking --mnalis (talk) 02:34, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

As I mentioned elsewhere, I prefer zone:parking=* (somehow listed in Key:zone) to follow zone:traffic=*. --- Kovposch (talk) 05:19, 12 April 2022 (UTC)