Proposal talk:Exit

Redefines current use of exit=yes

This proposal is going to change how exit=yes is currently used. The tag has been used 22k times, mostly 15k times in Belarus with entrance=staircase. In Russian the tag page says "Если для выхода из здания или огороженной территории не требуется ключ, это можно обозначить с помощью exit=yes. Такое обозначение имеет смысл в тех случаях, когда порядок выхода отличается от порядка входа (например, для входа требуется связаться с консьержем или нужно иметь ключ, а для выхода достаточно открыть дверь)." which translates to "If a key is not required to exit a building or fenced area, this can be indicated with exit=yes. This designation makes sense in cases where the order of exit is different from the order of entry (for example, to enter you need to contact the concierge or you need to have a key, but to exit you just need to open the door).

You should contact the mappers in Belarus and make sure they have an alternative to tag that information, or re-consider this redefinition of the meaning of entrance=staircase + exit=yes --Jeisenbe (talk) 17:26, 10 June 2022 (UTC)

I replied on the mailing list.[1] --Push-f (talk) 19:43, 10 June 2022 (UTC)

Emergency access

The emergency=designated tag is currently explicitely described only for ways. It should be good to make clear how to tag a "emergency access" barrier/gate (an access, not an exit), when it is forbidden to anybody to use it (except emergency) and when pedestrian and/or bicycle are allowed to use it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zorglubu (talk • contribs)

As described on emergency=designated that tag just means that the way is intended for emergency services. To indicate that it's not intended to be used by the general public, the page currently recommends an additional access=no or access=private. I think that makes sense and can just as well be applied to entrances. --Push-f (talk) 07:49, 16 June 2022 (UTC)

I have come to the conclusion that the emergency situation is better addressed by a dedicated proposal and have just drafted Proposed features/emergency access & exits for that. --Push-f (talk) 02:09, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

Directionality of usage

How do you determine the direction of the exit node? (Same challenge for entrance=* actually, but we are a bit late there) It might be easy if the node is placed on a building outline, but much less clear when placed on any linear barrier object. One possible solution would be to use direction=forward and direction=backward to indicate in which direction of the usable highway=* way the exit is to be used. But that only works if the linear highway crosses the exit on both sides and there's not two ways ending there. --Claudius (talk) 14:15, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

Yes entrance=* is currently only defined with the node being part of an area outline. I believe that exit=* should be defined likewise because everything else would be confusing.

I am unfortunately not really familiar with how highways are mapped but I do know that for barriers there are barrier=gate and barrier=entrance (which as far as I know don't describe any directionality).

I think I'd consider the question of how to map that a barrier=gate or barrier=entrance is unidirectional to be out of the scope of this proposal since this proposal does not change anything about barrier=*.

But I think it's a good question, you might want to ask it on the tagging mailing list. --Push-f (talk) 08:05, 16 June 2022 (UTC)

Potential problems with proposed use of emergency=designated

Designated does not mean only

As documented on Tag:access=designated: "If an element is meant only to be used by specific designated transport methods (overriding whatever defaults may exist for that way), use access=no in addition of the *=designated value."

Therefore, I don't think the current proposal of using entrance=* plus emergency=designated for emergency-only entrances is compatible with the usual meaning of the value. Viable solutions would be adding access=no (but that does not resolve the second issue mentioned below) or introducing a special entrance=* value. --Tordanik 19:56, 28 June 2022 (UTC)

I think you misread the proposal, which says:

Entrances intended for emergency services should be tagged with emergency=designated (along with access=no if the entrance is not intended for the general public).

--Push-f (talk) 21:21, 28 June 2022 (UTC)

The emergency=* access key refers to vehicles

Moved to Talk:Proposed features/emergency access & exitsPush-f (talk) 21:59, 1 July 2022 (UTC)