Proposal talk:Parking lane

Dropping parking_lane in favor of parking:lane

After talking to User:Kay_D I decided to drop this and use Proposed_features/parking:lane. --Nighto 02:52, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

See also

Further proposals and discussions concerning parking:

• User:Kay_D/parking

Parking in the street

Over Proposal: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Kay_D/parking

How can this be used for areas where there are parking in the street without any marked spots or a set system. This is common in many residential areas, for example the street where I live. In my street there is allowed to park on one side of the street except for some spots, generally infront of garages. No spots are marked, and no signs are put up mentioning the side allowed to park (the oposite side is marked with a no-parking sign. --Skippern 22:51, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

Local law sets the system, tag accordingly, or what's the question? Alv 06:25, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

My question is how to tag this, I guess parking_lane=left can do it, but I feel that all the values for type of parking (inline, diagonal, orthogonal) are inappropriate. Maybe an additional value can be of interest, to indicate that the space is directly in the traffic lane, and not in a separate marked lane. Maybe parking_lane:left=street can indicate this? (when no cars are parked, this is part of the normal traffic flow) --Skippern 14:59, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Ok. I'd say it's still inline (I'd call it parallel) parking. I'd make up a tag for the position, say parking_lane:right:placement=lane / dedicated / half / outside. "In lane" may block a lane on the street while the others don't. "Half" and "outside" even have corresponding signs in use, that is to park with two wheels on the curb or to park with the whole car on the outside of the curb. An extra cautious sports car driver might not want to drive up the curb, although such support in software is unlikely for a long time.

A road around here, that normally has two lanes for each direction but allows parking on the right lane in the nighttime: oneway=yes + lanes=2 + parking_lane=right + parking_lane:right:placement=lane + parking_lane:right=inline parking_lane:right=parallel + parking_lane:right:hour_on=18 + parking_lane:right:hour_off=7. Alv 15:47, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, that clarified it a bit better. --Skippern 15:52, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

I'm still pondering, whether the word dedicated above is good. The dedicated (as painted on the ground) parking spaces on the side don't interfere with even hgv's driving by, but for unmarked spaces it's variable. If the lane is extra wide, there's room for up to four hgv's side by side at any point (2 x parked + 2 driving), even without dedicated spaces, yet it's still a two lane road. Other times only oncoming passenger cars can pass each other and even a bus blocks the traffic while it's on that road section. A more descriptive word might be better; meaning that the space in which the cars may park is on the road side of the curb, yet not on the area normally used for travel. Alv 11:08, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

I'm not particularly happy about the left/right designation. It's yet another thing you have to watch out for when you have to reverse a way. Are there examples of left/right designations in other tags? --Stefan Bethke 21:11, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Only other ways to do it would be relations with named roles, or extra ways (or even areas) along the sides of the road and how overkill would that be at this time? And actually, if it were the other way round, that is left:parking_lane=x JOSM already suggests to change it to right:parking_lane=x if the way is reversed. I'd be surprised to see anything use these tags in the near future and by the time they'd have any value things would have settled down and would have been likely corrected. Better have some likely correct data than no data, when it's not like it's gonna kill someone. Alv 21:31, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Lane?

I'll get over this, but I'd rather the tag be "parking" rather than "parking_lane", and I'd rather the definition be something like "used when parking is allowed on or directly next to the way". The reason for these changes is that, where I live, parking is allowed on either side but there are no lanes specific for parking (as there are no lanes at all/one big lane). I'd have no problem tagging this with parking=both, but that doesn't seem to be allowed by the definition. Anthony 00:58, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Simpler approach to start with?

I find this too complicated already. Why don't we hijack parking=* for highway=*s, and take it from there? I don't think the specific shape of the parking spots is particularly interesting in itself, but restrictions are more more important, like vehicle size, time of day, maximum stay, etc. parking=* could grow a couple more values, plus we could use other keys already in use for amenity=parking. In it's most simple form, parking=yes would indicate that some form of parking is explicitly allowed. --Stefan Bethke 21:08, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

I'm just playing along here with what the original proposer came up with; that's likely the better choice for the main key. Alv 21:31, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

I've since started adding these as plain parking:both=inline/diagonal, parking:left=*, parking:right=* as I have some other details to add. Extends IMO nicely to parking:left:placement=*, parking:fee:times=*, parking:right:fee:times=* etc. Alv 13:15, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

This is exactly what I have been searching for! Tags like parking:left=inline would be great to mark some parts of a street with parking possibilities without having to tag an area for this. Additionally, I would propose some tag like parking:left=bay if there's an area that goes along with the street but is separated from it in some way (e. g. little areas with trees between) and clearly designed to be a parking area. --L3u 18:44, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

I'm definitely in favor of a simpler approach like described. what do others think and how should we proceed? --Marc 13:50, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

Parking capacity

There are two possible situations when describing the parking capacity of a parking lane. For marked spots, an exact number can be given with capacity=*. For non marked ones, or a mark for the whole parking lane, an estimated number could be given with capacity:estimated=*. Knowing an estimated number of the street parking spots is interesting for many reasons :) --Nosolomusic 07:13, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Default

Thinking about this a bit, are we sure the default should be no parking? Maybe the default could be parking=both, and we could tag parking=no for highways where parking is not allowed. Anthony 01:11, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

I think yes, it should be no parking. local law is what the user should know before parking, no matter what OSM or any navigation service based on OSM is telling him. If parking is allowed he can put his car everywhere he wants. Even so there can be dedicated parking spots or at least streets that are manly used for parking by locals whereas others are not, although law would permit it (but you just don't put your car everywhere, even if you could). And thats what we should map: some sort of "common sense" used by locals / visitors of the region. By setting the default to no we encourage the community to map parking spaces that are explicitly used by residents / local population, regardless of if they are marked on the street or not. If indeed all the streets in city are used for parking, then map it like that, as long as it does make sense to do so. but most times it just doesn't. the other argument is rendering: useless if the default is yes. I would say the default is "no" in the sense of law tells you what to do. areas marked with explicit no parking signs can be tagged with no (therefore an explicit tag exists, and a renderer can interpret that by adding the corresponding style to a street), streets with parking allowed with yes/both/left/right. --Marc 14:01, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

Just make sure it's flexible enough

The possibilities of left, right, and centre parking are all independent of each other, and are going to need to be specified separately. I can think of a location near me that has all three, and certainly the restrictions are different in two of them.

(Although now that I think about it, a street with centre parking is usually modelled as two separate ways...which makes it complicated to decide which of those ways owns the centre...) Stevage 15:41, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

In France some streets have alternate side of allowed parking depending on the day in the month. The first 15 days of the month you need to park on one side, the rest of the month you need to park on the opposite side. Julien Balas 15:15, 15 april 2010