Talk:Tag:access=agricultural

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@Multimodaal: Thanks for checking my recent edit and updating by yours. I still wondering which one hits the tag access=agricultural a bit better:
Your version: Restricted to usage of the road for agricultural purposes, for any (technical) type of vehicle.
My version: Restricted to usage of the road for agricultural purposes (for any type of transportation mode)

For my understanding, yours is rather descriping vehicle=agricultural instead of access=agricultural, isn't it. I might be wrong. --MalgiK (talk) 22:45, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

@MalgiK: Hi, thanks for your contributions.

Yes I think you are right if you mean that "my version" refers to all vehicles and "your version" includes pedestrians as well.

My scope was inspired by both real life signage in several countries and usage in OSM: in several countries I have seen restrictions on signs limiting vehicles to agricultural purposes only (like both images in the current wikipage), but these signs do not close the road to pedestrians that are not performing agricultural activities. When a road would be closed for both vehicles and pedestrians not performing agricultutural activities it would normally be signed with totally different signs.

When looking at actual usage of the general access=agricultural in OSM, it is only combined with foot=* in 17% (so in 83% no foot=* is tagged). See also https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/access=agricultural#combinations

Combining those two observations my interpretation is that actual usage in OSM of access=agricultural actually tends more towards access=agricultural, but I must admit that this contains some speculation on my side, and I might be biased because I only know European and US situations.

And after giving your comments some thougts I think it would be better to keep the description in line with the general structure of access=* and use a sentence that also includes pedestrians and horseriding (like your version, perhaps with some tweaking) and explain the contradiction between signage and usage in OSM in a separate paragraph.

What do you think?

Furthermore I am curious:

Do you know situations that are signed in such a way that access by pedestrians is also explicitly limited to agricultural purposes?

(so not just access=private where most actual access might be for agricultural purposes, nut the land owner is free to allow any other purposes at his or her discretion)

Bests regards Multimodaal (talk) 18:47, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

Usage examples

Maybe we can find a more international view and use for the section "examples" (not Germany only)? --Chris2map (talk) 07:31, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

Hi, yes, fair point. It might be a bit more effort to find examples, since the agricultutal usage is typically not defined in the general traffic signs (those normally refer to the technical vehicle class) , but mentioned in the additional panels and the actual wording is critical (might concern either of those two criteria), so that could best be done by a native speaker I think.

I could go out and make some rights-free pictures in The Netherlands (or search in Mapillary) , but that is still a neighbouring country of Germany, a country somewat further away might be nicer. Here is an

example of additional panel in the Netherlands in a non-rights free image. Cheers Multimodaal (talk) 07:56, 14 September 2024 (UTC)