Talk:Tag:man made=water tap

Questions

How does this tag differ from amenity=water_point? Brycenesbitt (talk) 07:32, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

The water point amenity «is for places where you can get larger amounts of "drinking water". Useful for boats or caravans». Contrary to that, a water tap:

• May provide potable or non-potable water.
• May be usable for very small amounts of water too (like a self-closing tap).
• May actually be used together with the water_point, in case the specific location of the water tap is of relevance. --Kotya (talk) 18:31, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

How can we tag a standpipe of this kind ?

Standpipe to draw water on urban public street

• It looks like a fire hydrant, but it is green.
• It is supposed to deliver water not for emergency, but more generally for any needs. --Barnes38

I am not quite sure what it is. I did find the description of the device itself but I cannot understand its application. We generally map things based on their usage, then based on their technical parameters. In this case, the technical parameters are clear, but the usage is not. Any idea? --Kotya (talk) 15:07, 27 November 2016 (UTC)

• There is a related water point tag, does that look applicable? --Kotya (talk) 15:14, 27 November 2016 (UTC)

According to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standpipe_(street) it would be some kind of man made=water tap Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 23:14, 2 November 2017 (UTC)

Use with amenity=drinking_water

The addition of the tag amenity=drinking_water would mean there is an additional feature that supplies drinking water e.g. a bubbler. It does not signify that the tap has potable water as that is tagged using drinking_water=yes/no.

I strongly disagree with "The addition of the tag amenity=drinking_water would mean there is an additional feature that supplies drinking water e.g. a bubbler". amenity=drinking_water is more general and explicitly includes water taps ("This includes the drinking fountain or bubbler but may also be just a water tap. ") Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 23:07, 2 November 2017 (UTC)

How would you tag the difference between a single water tap, a single bubler and a bubbler that also has a tap?

I would tag the single water tap as man_made=water_tap, drinking_water=yes/no; a single bubler as amenity=drinking_water; a bubbler that also has a tap as amenity=drinking_water, man_made=water_tap, drinking_water=yes/no.

Note that the bubbler would be potable .. but the tap may not be potable even when they are close to one another. Warin61 (talk) 23:25, 2 November 2017 (UTC)

I have never seen something like this, especially with 2 different water systems attached, but I think the easiest would be to map 2 features, one for the non-potable tap and one for the drinking water. If you’re interested in specific types of drinking fountains you can use the fountain key. —Dieterdreist (talk) 23:51, 2 November 2017 (UTC)

A bubbler and tap, both potable? http://www.aquafil.com.au/product/water-bottle-refill-station-with-water-bubbler/ The 'fountain' key was intended to indicate the decorative fountain details .. not those of bubblers or taps. Warin61 (talk) 00:29, 3 November 2017 (UTC)

"How would you tag the difference between a single water tap, a single bubler and a bubbler that also has a tap?" - note that sadly according to mailing list discussion all drinking fountains are also taps anyway. So man_made=water_tap will not help here. Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 21:00, 9 October 2022 (UTC)

Potable water (drinking water) is indicated by drinking_water=yes

This was voted on. The addition of amenity=drinking_water should not be used in place of drinking_water=yes. This came from man_made=water_well. If it is insisted that amenity=drinking_water is used here then it will also have to be used with man_made=water_well Warin61 (talk) 23:42, 2 November 2017 (UTC)

Nobody has to put any tag, and this was not (necessarily) about tagging one instead of the other. If people think amenity=drinking water is an appropriate tag, they could also add it to a water well. —Dieterdreist (talk) 23:56, 2 November 2017 (UTC)

The main page now has 2 statements about potability

"Consider adding also more general amenity=drinking_water in case it is potable water. "

"Water taps may provide potable and technical water, which can be specified with drinking_water=yes "

So 2 methods to tag the same thing... natural=wood and landuse=forest all over again. CAN WE HAVE ONE TAG TO MEAN ONE THING??? I have started a thread on the tagging group for more views. Warin61 (talk) 00:10, 3 November 2017 (UTC)

"The addition of amenity=drinking_water should not be used in place of drinking_water=yes" - why not? Adding amenity=drinking_water is perfectly fine if it matches. And yes, adding amenity=drinking_water to man_made=water_well with drinking water is a good idea Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 13:55, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

The feature is fully described with the sub tag of 'drinking_water=yes' (or 'drinking_water=no'). Adding 'amenity=drinking_water' contributes nothing. By not using 'amenity=drinking_water' there is then a rendering of the more detailed tags, if not it is a rendering issue. I see the inclusion of the tag 'amenity=drinking_water' as tagging for the render. Warin61 (talk) 20:06, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

"By not using 'amenity=drinking_water' there is then a rendering" deliberate removal of matching tags - that is a very harmful case of tagging for renderer Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 21:36, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

'drinking_water=yes' (or 'drinking_water=no' - that is acceptable alternative to adding amenity=drinking_water (though removing amenity=drinking_water is still not OK) Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 21:36, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

By extension then .. adding amenity=drinking_water to something with drinking_water=* is not OK. And some of these features were voted on .. with NO voting on adding amenity=drinking_water to them. I view the additions of amenity=drinking_water as unhelpful at best, far better to use the voted on drinking_water=yes in these cases. Warin61 (talk)

"adding amenity=drinking_water to something with drinking_water=* is not OK" - I think that adding commonly used tag in cases where it matches is OK (though replacing drinking_water=yes by amenity=drinking_water is not OK) Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 06:50, 13 January 2018 (UTC)

road signs

Is list of road signs, added in https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Tag%3Aman_made%3Dwater_tap&type=revision&diff=1559988&oldid=1548096 useful? This signs are self-explanatory, what is value of adding images? Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 07:57, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

So much because they relate to the real character of the place. The OSM Wiki unfortunately does not confirm that they are obvious signs. As you can see, there is one characteristic simple sign describing the source of water in public spacein space and time. (despite the disconnected from reality, the opinion on the wiki osm that people, animals, machines need different water to activition!). Official road signs should be present on the wiki osm. Like road signs in other case that they concern.(talk) 10:04, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

OK, but why we need entire gallery rather than a single example? Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 10:15, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

Road signs are international symbols used by billions of people. Consciously or not. We create a map that is refer to one country, region or possible as much as be universal. If I left one graphic I would be biased. I want to point out a problem or beauty. I did not find more road signs.Cz ja (talk) 14:24, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

attribute of a amenity=sanitary_dump_station

1) what you mean by "Best mapped as an attribute of a amenity=sanitary_dump_station" - how it would be tagged?

2) are you sure that amenity=sanitary_dump_station is depicted on the photo? It does not look like "Place for depositing human waste from a toilet holding tank"

@Joost schouppe:

Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 08:50, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

Hi Mateusz,

The picture actually does depict a typical French sanitary waste disposal station. One of the grids on the sides can be opened, that's where the toilet waste goes into. There's usually two water taps: one undrinkable, that you can use to clean out your toilet waste holding tank; then another to which you can attach a hose to fill up your camper's drinking water tank. There is also almost always a grid right next to it for disposing of grey water (shower, washing dishes). Most camper vans can open a valve at the bottom of their vehicle to let that flow out. So the picture clearly depicts a "camper oriented feature that happens to provide drinking water". Here's an independent one in the wild:an independent one in the wild Usually you will find them very close to or within a caravan_site; also on service areas on motorways. Joost schouppe (talk) 17:17, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

Sorry, I was unfamiliar with that construction, and photo description was not really clarifying it. "then another to which you can attach a hose to fill up your camper's drinking water tank" - it sounds like taggable with a separate amenity=water_point + drinking_water=yes, possibly also with man_made=water_tap. (@Joost schouppe:). Either way, I would tag it as two objects. Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 19:18, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

I don't see why you'd map it separately: then why not also the water tap for the black water on a separate node, and the electricty plug on a separate node, and the grey water grid on a separate node, perhaps the money slot on a separate node, maybe group them all together in a site relation :) . The biggest disadvantage to me, is that mappers are in fact unfamiliar with these structures and if they see one mapped as just a water point, they'll think it's mapped correctly. But that's just my opinion of course. I have re-introduced the link to the amenity=sanitary_dump_station in the image description, as that is exactly what the image actually does depict. Joost schouppe (talk) 20:51, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

tap fitting

How do you indicate what type of fitting the tap has? See  Hose coupling. It is useful to know if you can connect a hose to a man_made=water_tap, and what adaptors you will need --Kylenz (talk) 08:07, 26 August 2021 (UTC)

emergency=fire_hydrant has couplings:type=* + couplings:diameters=*, although I don't like the former that much. ---- Kovposch (talk) 07:15, 3 September 2021 (UTC)

In the USA, in the page where images are shown, the one titled "Classic public water tap, Le Mont-Saint-Michel, France" is what we in the USA call a "hose bib," especially as it has "male" screw-threads on it (as the photo shows) that mate to a "female-ended" garden hose. In a construction, residential-gardening or landscape-architecture context, "hose bib" (for that photo) are exactly the right (USA English) words to use. Is a "hose bib" a man_made=water_tap? Yes, especially as you can see the stop-cock that can be rotated to control flow. Stevea (talk) 04:00, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

Adding the tag fountain-drinking

I don't think that a tap outlet is directly suitable for humans to drink from, so adding the tag fountain=drinking is confusing to me. Warin61 (talk) 08:06, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

It is both indended in this way and usable in this way (I personally tested it) . It does not appear to be worse for that purpose than say https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Drinking_fountain,_istituto_scolastico_Principe_di_Piemonte,_Roma,_Italia_Sep_24,_2020_01-56-27_PM.jpeg Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 07:38, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

So you lowered yourself down and then put your mouth to the flow of water an drank directly from the flow of water shown? Warin61 (talk) 07:46, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

I'm not Mateusz, so I'm not answering what Warin61 asks directly above. But in this exact case (of the green device with the "tap" pointing downward), I will share my knowledge of US English to say that I would call this a "water tap," as it has a valve that "turns on the flow," perhaps I wash my hands, perhaps I fill my hydration bottle. But I would not call this a "water fountain" (or "drinking fountain" in Western US English or "bubbler" in British English) because of the downward shape of the flow. "Drinking fountain" or "bubbler" are better words for when the flow of the water points upward, so you can drink directly by inserting your lips into the flow of water. I mean if you contort yourself into an awkward position, you COULD drink with your lips directly from a downward pointing "water tap," but it wouldn't be comfortable, and would make one think that the device isn't being used how it was designed to be used. Stevea (talk) 07:55, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

This maybe a language problem! I have made an entry in the tagging list to attract more attention, particularly from British people. Warin61 (talk) 08:39, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

"So you lowered yourself down and then put your mouth to the flow of water an drank directly from the flow of water shown?" - yes. And for example this device would require doing this or using some container. The same goes for drinking water taps in Florence. Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 08:43, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

" "Drinking fountain" or "bubbler" are better words for when the flow of the water points upward" - we may have even more to disentangle then! Note fountain=* that defines fountain=drinking as water fountain that is not a bubbler! Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 08:43, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

The Page is looking better, but this particular picture shouldn't be tagged with fountain=drinking in my opinion. This is where you COULD treat it like a "drinking fountain" by contorting yourself close to the ground and turning your head upside down so your lips COULD drink from this, but it would be so awkward, I wouldn't call it a "drinking fountain," so that tag should be removed from this photo (in my opinion). All the other tags for this "fixture" of a "water tap" seem correct to me. The subtle nature of English! The subtle nature of tagging! Stevea (talk) 09:06, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

@Stevea: Would you be fine with marking File:Drinking fountain, istituto scolastico Principe di Piemonte, Roma, Italia Sep 24, 2020 01-56-27 PM.jpeg as fountain=drinking? It seems to require the same amount of contorting as far as I see Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 20:58, 9 October 2022 (UTC)

@Mateusz Konieczny: Yes, I am fine with this; thank you for asking. Like I said in the tagging mail-list, I have broadened my understanding of "fountain for drinking" (beyond my admittedly-limited "Kohler bubbler" perception of "what they all look like"), especially with the many amazing fountain styles (in Europe and elsewhere) as documented since these "water" threads (and wiki updates) have begun. Stevea (talk) 08:47, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

Public accessible only?

Why is there a requirement to have only 'public accessible' taps? Should not the key access=* be used to indicate that status? Possibly indicate a default value of access=yes and, where this is not the case, recommend adding the access status. Warin61 (talk) 02:17, 9 October 2022 (UTC)

Water taps in someone's garden (or even worse, inside their house) are not mappable, right? Though individual water taps in public toilet are likely also not mappable, right? Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 09:22, 9 October 2022 (UTC)

Supply restriction to a 'centralized water distribution system' .. why?

The present wording is 'supplied by centralized water distribution system' I believe is to avoid the use of taps on things that don't have them - such as wells, springs etc. However in Australia taps are used on water tanks, examples can be found on many hiking trails such as the Overland Track, Heysen Trail, Larapinta Trail.

I would think a better definition may avoid most misuse of the tag?

A device that a person uses to control the flow of water from a pressurized pipe to an outlet. The outlet is located close to the control mechanism. The usual supply is a centralized water distribution system, but can be other things such as an individual water tank.???

I removed "centralized" - is it now good enough? Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 20:59, 9 October 2022 (UTC)