Talk:Tag:tourism=artwork
start_date
Why should start_date=* be used for the COMPLETION of the artwork? It seems to be absurd. --Marsupium 04:49, 27 September 2012 (BST)
- Sorry, now I got it. :) --Marsupium (talk) 07:03, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
- But where should the date of appearance/unveiling be stated? This is the time that is part of the mapped ground truth, while completion may be much earlier or later . For example the Obelisk in Paris was put there under one of the Napoleon regimes, but was actually completed much earlier for placement somewhere in Egypt . In contrast, the Eiffel Tower (as a 1000 ft monument) appeared on the streets some time before it was completed, because it was installed in sections from the bottom up . Jbohmdk (talk) 11:03, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
- The start_date=* is defined as the date when something goes into effect / starts to work, it is the inauguration date, why should artwork be different? (for more complex timelines we don't have the means anyway, like something was built 3000 years ago, brought into a museum 150 years ago and then into another museum 50 years ago, or columns of Roman temples used for the construction of a church some hundred years later and not exactly in the same place). --Dieterdreist (talk) 17:45, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
- That is not what this wiki page has consistently stated since at least 2012, though it would have been be easier for data consumers if start_date was the placement date . Still the simple fact that mosr artworks have the 2 types of dates means that a tag is needed for whatever date is not the start_date . Jbohmdk (talk) 23:54, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- There are 13.8% of artworks that have a start_date (38300) but no other date tag with at least 1000 occurrences. —Dieterdreist (talk) 07:41, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- That is not what this wiki page has consistently stated since at least 2012, though it would have been be easier for data consumers if start_date was the placement date . Still the simple fact that mosr artworks have the 2 types of dates means that a tag is needed for whatever date is not the start_date . Jbohmdk (talk) 23:54, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- The start_date=* is defined as the date when something goes into effect / starts to work, it is the inauguration date, why should artwork be different? (for more complex timelines we don't have the means anyway, like something was built 3000 years ago, brought into a museum 150 years ago and then into another museum 50 years ago, or columns of Roman temples used for the construction of a church some hundred years later and not exactly in the same place). --Dieterdreist (talk) 17:45, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
- But where should the date of appearance/unveiling be stated? This is the time that is part of the mapped ground truth, while completion may be much earlier or later . For example the Obelisk in Paris was put there under one of the Napoleon regimes, but was actually completed much earlier for placement somewhere in Egypt . In contrast, the Eiffel Tower (as a 1000 ft monument) appeared on the streets some time before it was completed, because it was installed in sections from the bottom up . Jbohmdk (talk) 11:03, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
Tourism
Why is it under tourism key ? Shouldn't be man_made=artwork ? Does every artwork is a tourism's object of interest ? Rafmar (talk) 09:53, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
- Well hotel and museum are problematic too in the sense that they're not just for tourists. You hit some problems like this when you try to classify the world. Maybe it's better than lumping everything under man_made -- Harry Wood (talk) 01:28, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
- it depends on your definition of tourism in the case of hotels, while I agree that museums clearly in tourism are not classified optimally either.--Dieterdreist (talk) 11:43, 23 July 2016 (UTC)
Dimensions
Dimensions are a key statistic about artworks. The traditional order is H×W(×D), for two-dimensional or three-dimensional works. I have tagged public sculptures using length=* for depth. —Michael Z. 2016-05-10 22:19 z
- Did you use meter as the standard unit according to Map Features/Units? --Marsupium (talk) 07:03, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
Murals as lines
Shouldn't murals be tagged on lines rather than nodes or areas? It makes more sense to put it on a node, but not on areas unless it's on the floor. But in the case of wall murals, I think it would make more sense if they were tagged on lines. What do you guys think?
- I agree --Dieterdreist (talk) 10:50, 10 January 2017 (UTC)
Medium
I suggest we consider introducing artwork:medium=*. We currently use material=*, but this is not the same thing.
A medium may be a technique, or it may be something that is applied to a support material. It can certainly be many things that are different from our conventional use of material, which is what a building or object is constructed from. And material can beneficially coexist with artwork:medium, as, for example, a wall mural can be tagged with artwork:medium=mural or artwork:medium=paint on a building with material=cinderblock.
Some examples of media that are not materials (in the OSM sense) include: mosaic, oil, acrylic, or just paint, projection, lighting or LEDs, audio installation, etching, or sandblasting. More at w:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_art_mediums. —Michael Z. 2017-07-23 17:07 z
Public art vs. exhibits
Following a recent discussion on Tagging, we need to distinguish between public art and exhibits. Summary: Public in this sense would mean artwork (be in murals, statues or whatever) in the street, park, shopping centre or foyer of an open building. It would need to be publicly accessible, without payment of an entry fee. By this concept, exhibitions in a museum or gallery won't be public art. The key 'exhibit' has some use already and was found suitable for the purpose, in this case here as exhibit=artwork.--Polarbear w (talk) 14:29, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
Physically distributed artwork / relation
Current page discourages using this tag on relations. How would one map a physically distributed artwork (let's say, several locations around a crossing / along a block)? A node in the approximate midpoint might be a decent approximation, but in this case I have already identified the locations of individual components. --Richlv (talk) 17:05, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
- This should fit the definition of Relation:site. ---- Kovposch (talk) 11:07, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
- Sounds great, that's the one I used in the end. Added "site=artwork". Hard to say with the current aggressive caching, but it does not seem to be rendered in the carto tiles - perhaps will duplicate some tags on one of the nodes to "tag for the renderer" a bit. --Richlv (talk) 15:15, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
- The "use on relations" is mostly misleading, you can use any tag as seems appropriate. Generally the "relations" do not included multipolygon relations (which are in "area"). Referring to site relations, you can probably add a lot of the tags to sites, but most of them will have "on relations=no", my advice is to ignore the "on relations" suggestions completely and do as you see fitting. These icons are only useful to distinguish linear from point/area objects. --Dieterdreist (talk) 10:48, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
Example of a single work distributed over 1 km: https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/1iPt -- Andrew (talk) 22:34, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
- Sorry, but your link to the "FlipBooks" artwork no longer works . Jbohmdk (talk) 11:07, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
Group names
How do you name a linked, but geographically spread-out, group of exhibits? We have this: https://www.facebook.com/animalswithattitudegoldcoast/ in our area. The whole group is Animals With Attitude, but each individual sculpture has it's own name. I'm assuming that name= will be each item's name, but how do we show that it's part of the group? --Fizzie41 (talk) 03:56, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
- You have to use Relation:site, or perhaps more appropriately Relation:cluster (each of them is an artwork on its own, with an extra name for the collective). ---- Kovposch (talk) 10:14, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
- Yes, along the same lines, relation type=group name=* and no other tags (only for the group but no need to tag it is a group of sculptures because this is implicit from the members). https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Group_Relation —-Dieterdreist (talk) 10:58, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
- Sorry, but facebook links are locked behind their login system, only the top of the page is visible without . Jbohmdk (talk) 11:10, 19 October 2024 (UTC)