The State Of The Map/meeting log4
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[2007-02-08 20:05:30] <SteveC> so..... SotM IRC meet? [2007-02-08 20:09:12] <SteveC> _80n: you here? [2007-02-08 20:09:23] <_80n> yup [2007-02-08 20:10:11] <SteveC> shall we go thru the agenda? [2007-02-08 20:10:13] <SteveC> 1 feedback from stuff done during the week [2007-02-08 20:10:22] <SteveC> well, the site's up [2007-02-08 20:10:33] <_80n> are we expecting anyone else? blackadder? [2007-02-08 20:10:34] <nickb_ldn> yeah. lets go [2007-02-08 20:10:41] <SteveC> no I dont think he can make it [2007-02-08 20:11:16] <_80n> the site looks good [2007-02-08 20:11:30] <steve8> I am lurking, and will pick up on anything I can help with [2007-02-08 20:12:07] <_80n> there are a couple of typos - who is looking after that kind of thing? [2007-02-08 20:12:45] <SteveC> any of us can log int [2007-02-08 20:12:55] <nickb_ldn> _80n: several people can log into teh site and fix it [2007-02-08 20:13:09] <nickb_ldn> did you get an email confirming your accout? [2007-02-08 20:13:26] <_80n> If I did I missed it [2007-02-08 20:14:12] <nickb_ldn> I'll mail you the details [2007-02-08 20:14:36] =-= cjb_ie_ is now known as cjb_ie [2007-02-08 20:15:39] <nickb_ldn> done [2007-02-08 20:15:48] <_80n> ta [2007-02-08 20:16:16] <nickb_ldn> so, on the organisation front, there are a few changes I need to make to the apache conf to run pentabarf [2007-02-08 20:16:28] <SteveC> 2 Website/talk management site [2007-02-08 20:16:45] <nickb_ldn> what is talk management? [2007-02-08 20:16:59] |<-- damike84 has left irc.oftc.net (Quit: damike84) [2007-02-08 20:17:19] <SteveC> I think that means pentabarf [2007-02-08 20:18:16] <nickb_ldn> so - as above [2007-02-08 20:18:26] <SteveC> 3 CFP then [2007-02-08 20:18:53] <SteveC> you've had various enquiries? [2007-02-08 20:19:21] <nickb_ldn> yeah - mainly asking to be put onto a mailing list and others wanting detail of deadlines [2007-02-08 20:19:37] <nickb_ldn> also people wanting to know how to submit - which means pentabarf [2007-02-08 20:19:44] <SteveC> what are we discussing with 3? [2007-02-08 20:19:57] <_80n> what have you told them re deadlines? [2007-02-08 20:20:22] <nickb_ldn> nothing yet - I added that to teh agenda for this meeting [2007-02-08 20:20:59] <_80n> The CFP words are up on the site - I guess we need to get the info out on blogs and mailing lists etc [2007-02-08 20:21:32] <_80n> where/who should it be sent to? [2007-02-08 20:21:40] <nickb_ldn> yep, just need to get plugging it [2007-02-08 20:21:47] <SteveC> its already on carto-soc, talk and osgeo [2007-02-08 20:22:17] <steve8> I can offer to help BlAddr on that. Listings, diaires, blogs - have a load of them lineup [2007-02-08 20:22:32] =-= Richard_ is now known as Richard_in_pub [2007-02-08 20:22:32] =-= Richard_in_pub is now known as Richard_ [2007-02-08 20:23:06] <rweait> SteveC: 80n: You guys want to put together a presentation for FOSS4G ? [2007-02-08 20:23:19] <almien> BlueNinja: look on [[Slippy map tilenames]] for links, or source code of any tiles@home-related program on SVN [2007-02-08 20:23:21] <rweait> Vancouver in September? [2007-02-08 20:23:29] <nickb_ldn> rweait: they want to pay the fiars to Canada ;-) [2007-02-08 20:23:32] <almien> deelkar: is there much to see at zoom 18? [2007-02-08 20:23:38] <rweait> s/Vancouver/Victoris/ [2007-02-08 20:23:40] <SteveC> should ' To submit, send an email to this address.' be changed to say 'talk submission stie comeing soon' ? [2007-02-08 20:23:56] <SteveC> rweait: isn't it in canada? [2007-02-08 20:24:15] <rweait> Aye. Victoria, British Columbia. [2007-02-08 20:24:25] <_80n> better to get their email address and mail back when the site is up [2007-02-08 20:24:28] <rweait> Supposed to be beautiful [2007-02-08 20:24:37] <Schuyler> it is [2007-02-08 20:24:41] <Schuyler> totally worth the trip [2007-02-08 20:25:18] <deelkar> almien: well I guess it is not really worth the space, at least with osmarender 3 [2007-02-08 20:25:25] <SteveC> they don't pay airfare though, right? [2007-02-08 20:25:52] <deelkar> I'm not sure what framm has planned for osmarender 4 support, though [2007-02-08 20:26:28] <rweait> They'll discount your conference fees. [2007-02-08 20:27:11] <nickb_ldn> anyway. the CFP is out. We need to publicise it and get the submissions site up [2007-02-08 20:27:42] -->| Dutch_DK (~Dutch_DK@port75.ds1-by.adsl.cybercity.dk) has joined #osm [2007-02-08 20:28:14] <almien> can someone involved with osmarender4 have a look at proposed featured images (a road bridge) and see if there's any other features you'd like to showcase [2007-02-08 20:28:18] <Dutch_DK> Yo.... Now tiles is not serving any map tiles, just like dev.. Whats up ? [2007-02-08 20:28:36] <SteveC> Dutch_DK: WORKSFORME [2007-02-08 20:28:39] <almien> also can we have a caption competition for the image of OSM data on someone's garmin [2007-02-08 20:28:56] <Dutch_DK> Both mapnik and osmarender layer ? [2007-02-08 20:29:34] <SteveC> mapnik [2007-02-08 20:30:02] <Dutch_DK> Hmmm.. Weird.. Now both works here.. Must be a glitch in the temporal fluxcapacitor interface... [2007-02-08 20:31:06] <nickb_ldn> Dutch_DK: I just restarted apache - trying to set up the conference management site [2007-02-08 20:31:12] <nickb_ldn> its running off dev too [2007-02-08 20:31:19] <Dutch_DK> Ahhhhh [2007-02-08 20:31:42] * Dutch_DK adds nickb to the list of things to blame.. right after MTV and Rap Music [2007-02-08 20:31:55] <nickb_ldn> 4 Finalise prices as follows: [2007-02-08 20:32:22] <nickb_ldn> price looks fine [2007-02-08 20:32:54] <_80n> What/who are "Other Concessions?" [2007-02-08 20:33:17] <nickb_ldn> there have been a few enquiries about prices today, so if we can finalise it, I'll write up a wordpress page for its [2007-02-08 20:35:03] <_80n> Unless anyone has any idea who would fit into the other concessions category I propose we remove it. [2007-02-08 20:35:13] <SteveC> remove++ [2007-02-08 20:35:28] <nickb_ldn> fine [2007-02-08 20:35:28] <cjb_ie> so... it /is/ possible to turn govt docs into something resembling a map. i give you ireland's N-roads (equiv. A-roads in Britain): [2007-02-08 20:35:32] <cjb_ie> http://cosmos.ucc.ie/~cjvdb1/roads.pdf [2007-02-08 20:35:49] <cjb_ie> produced from http://www.transport.ie/upload/general/7616-0.pdf [2007-02-08 20:36:28] <cjb_ie> next project: same thing for secondary routes (B-roads) [2007-02-08 20:36:36] -->| kabads_ (~adam@84-45-156-162.no-dns-yet.enta.net) has joined #osm [2007-02-08 20:37:02] <_80n> ok [2007-02-08 20:38:25] |<-- kabads has left irc.oftc.net (Ping timeout: 480 seconds) [2007-02-08 20:39:16] <nickb_ldn> so we are confirmed [2007-02-08 20:39:25] <nickb_ldn> on the prices that is [2007-02-08 20:39:33] <_80n> Projected revenue from delegate registrations based on those prices and 200 delegates is £3400 [2007-02-08 20:40:30] <_80n> looks like we are confirmed on the prices. [2007-02-08 20:41:02] * nickb_ldn looks at the spreadsheet [2007-02-08 20:41:28] * _80n has just updated it [2007-02-08 20:41:41] <nickb_ldn> do we have any projected expenses [2007-02-08 20:41:51] <SteveC> is Jochen here? [2007-02-08 20:42:10] <SteveC> we should project speaker travel costs and try to pay that [2007-02-08 20:42:24] <_80n> there are two pages on the spreadsheet [2007-02-08 20:42:36] <_80n> the first is income, the second is expenditure [2007-02-08 20:43:00] <nickb_ldn> looks good so far then [2007-02-08 20:43:47] <_80n> the expenditure page is still pretty rough - I expect plenty more items to appear [2007-02-08 20:44:48] <_80n> SteveC: there is already a line item for keynote speakers - are you suggesting travel expenses for all speakers? [2007-02-08 20:45:05] <_80n> as well as free admission? [2007-02-08 20:45:30] <SteveC> if possible... or perhaps for those that are needy [2007-02-08 20:45:34] <SteveC> or come from the EU [2007-02-08 20:46:25] <_80n> I'll make a provision - I guess we should require them to make a case and then pay out on a discretionary basis? [2007-02-08 20:46:51] <nickb_ldn> _80n: yes, I dont think the EU qualifies as the most needy place in the world [2007-02-08 20:47:08] <_80n> How many speakers are we talking about anyway - we need to to plan a schedule for the two days [2007-02-08 20:47:37] <SteveC> 20? [2007-02-08 20:48:04] <_80n> 10 each day - sounds good [2007-02-08 20:52:21] <SteveC> 5 Confirm important dates: [2007-02-08 20:53:22] <nickb_ldn> So pre-reg - as in no more cheap tickets [2007-02-08 20:53:25] <_80n> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/The_State_Of_The_Map/timeline [2007-02-08 20:53:56] <_80n> May 30 is proposed as the early reg cut off date [2007-02-08 20:54:00] <nickb_ldn> I think we can extend the submissions to end of march [2007-02-08 20:54:09] <Elrond> osma4 needs more amenities. ;o) [2007-02-08 20:54:15] <nickb_ldn> with a program at the beginning of may [2007-02-08 20:54:55] <_80n> Can we make a general conference announcement without a provisional programme in place? [2007-02-08 20:55:12] <SteveC> without speakers? [2007-02-08 20:55:34] <nickb_ldn> We can announce speakers as they are confirmed I guess [2007-02-08 20:55:57] <SteveC> but a programme needs speakers surely? [2007-02-08 20:56:20] <_80n> If we have the keynote speaker and all the sessions blocked out then we can make a call for registration [2007-02-08 20:56:29] |<-- Dutch_DK has left irc.oftc.net (Ping timeout: 480 seconds) [2007-02-08 20:56:59] <_80n> Like this: http://www.foss4g2007.org/program_overview.html [2007-02-08 20:57:23] <SteveC> ah [2007-02-08 20:57:24] <SteveC> sure [2007-02-08 20:57:31] <nickb_ldn> we could aim to have something like that by the beginning of march [2007-02-08 20:57:56] <_80n> Yes, with a filled out programme by end of march [2007-02-08 20:58:24] -->| Dutch_DK (~Dutch_DK@port75.ds1-by.adsl.cybercity.dk) has joined #osm [2007-02-08 20:59:29] -->| TeLLuS (~johan@h152n2fls32o1109.telia.com) has joined #osm [2007-02-08 21:00:21] * _80n has updated http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/The_State_Of_The_Map/timeline [2007-02-08 21:01:06] <ajturner> CFP is done? [2007-02-08 21:01:19] <ajturner> oh, sorry - nevermind :) [2007-02-08 21:03:23] <_80n> ajturner: do you have some input? [2007-02-08 21:03:26] <nickb_ldn> ok - so we can tell people who enquire the estimated dates [2007-02-08 21:03:58] <ajturner> _80n - no, it wasn't clear to me at first glance that Jan 31 was CFP was *opened*. I thought it meant CFP was closed [2007-02-08 21:04:08] <_80n> shall I put the dates up on the site? [2007-02-08 21:04:28] -->| tuxit (~Clive@87.127.40.169) has joined #osm [2007-02-08 21:04:36] <SteveC> why not [2007-02-08 21:05:14] <nickb_ldn> ajturner: they are very much open. You want to talk? [2007-02-08 21:05:22] <_80n> ajturner: I've made it clearer on the wiki [2007-02-08 21:05:36] <ajturner> nickb_ldn - yeah, would like to, gotta think about it, and checking flights :) [2007-02-08 21:06:01] <ajturner> a little far [2007-02-08 21:06:52] <_80n> ajturner: Is this you? http://highearthorbit.com [2007-02-08 21:07:31] <ajturner> _80n - yep [2007-02-08 21:07:36] <ajturner> you've found me - RUN [2007-02-08 21:07:53] |<-- Dutch_DK has left irc.oftc.net (Ping timeout: 480 seconds) [2007-02-08 21:08:00] <ajturner> _80n, actually, that's just my website. I'm a person ;) [2007-02-08 21:08:20] -->| Dutch_DK (~Dutch_DK@port75.ds1-by.adsl.cybercity.dk) has joined #osm [2007-02-08 21:08:29] <_80n> cool - high earth orbit *is* a little far ;) [2007-02-08 21:10:26] <ajturner> > 22000 miles ;) [2007-02-08 21:10:32] <ajturner> well, just think of the freq flyer poitns [2007-02-08 21:11:04] <ajturner> anyways, flights are currently > $1050usd :/ [2007-02-08 21:11:17] <_80n> we'd love to have you come over though [2007-02-08 21:11:37] =-= Dutch_DK is now known as Dutch_DK2 [2007-02-08 21:11:43] <ajturner> I'd love to come, perhaps if I start swimming..... [2007-02-08 21:11:46] <nickb_ldn> ajturner: hang in there, sure the $ will rise a bit more [2007-02-08 21:11:49] <nickb_ldn> :) [2007-02-08 21:11:50] |<-- Dutch_DK2 has left irc.oftc.net () [2007-02-08 21:12:00] <ajturner> thx nickb_ldn [2007-02-08 21:12:05] -->| Dutch_DK2 (~Dutch_DK@port75.ds1-by.adsl.cybercity.dk) has joined #osm [2007-02-08 21:12:05] <ajturner> anyways, gotta run [2007-02-08 21:12:13] |<-- ajturner has left irc.oftc.net () [2007-02-08 21:13:59] <_80n> OK, I'll put the time line up on the SotM site [2007-02-08 21:14:44] <_80n> nickb_ldn: can you resend the login details - they haven't come through yet [2007-02-08 21:20:48] <nickb_ldn> i SENT them to your stateofthemap.org address [2007-02-08 21:23:23] <_80n> can you send them to my gmail address please? [2007-02-08 21:23:48] <nickb_ldn> yeah [2007-02-08 21:23:55] <_80n> ta [2007-02-08 21:24:38] <nickb_ldn> done [2007-02-08 21:25:28] <_80n> ok - got it [2007-02-08 21:26:03] =-= Dutch_DK2 is now known as Dutch_DK [2007-02-08 21:27:52] <_80n> 6. Think about sites for things like pub, resteraunt afterward. [2007-02-08 21:28:53] <Dutch_DK> Later all.. Time to get out of dodge, and get the hell home... [2007-02-08 21:28:56] |<-- Dutch_DK has left irc.oftc.net (Quit: Leaving) [2007-02-08 21:29:43] <SteveC> I'm guessing we can do this when we visit [2007-02-08 21:29:48] <SteveC> we need a date to go check things out [2007-02-08 21:31:26] <mcknut> indeed [2007-02-08 21:31:41] <mcknut> and you'll need to do some mapping while you're there [2007-02-08 21:31:56] <nickb_ldn> yeah - late may/june [2007-02-08 21:32:13] <nickb_ldn> mcknut: you are semi-local right? [2007-02-08 21:33:29] <_80n> by May 30, we should have a pretty good idea of what the actual numbers are likely to be [2007-02-08 21:33:32] <mcknut> yeah, Liverpool [2007-02-08 21:35:35] * _80n has added a site visit for "early June" to the timeline [2007-02-08 21:37:42] <mcknut> http://stateofthemap.org/ [2007-02-08 21:40:48] <_80n> mcknut: looks like a DNS setup problem [2007-02-08 21:43:05] <_80n> 7. Mapping party to capture Manchester [2007-02-08 21:43:50] <_80n> There appears to have been some recent activity to the south of Manchester [2007-02-08 21:44:25] <_80n> Wilmslow [2007-02-08 21:45:56] <_80n> 200 people could cover a lot of ground in a weekend [2007-02-08 21:47:49] * _80n wonders if we should give each delegate a small area to map over the weekend as a "mission" [2007-02-08 21:48:37] <SteveC> that's a very cool idea [2007-02-08 21:48:44] <SteveC> the areas should overlap, too [2007-02-08 21:49:25] -->| Dutch_DK (~Dutch_DK@port75.ds1-by.adsl.cybercity.dk) has joined #osm [2007-02-08 21:49:32] <_80n> with points accuracy - if the overlapping areas match up [2007-02-08 21:49:45] <_80n> s/point/points for/ [2007-02-08 21:49:54] <Dutch_DK> LMAO : http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/5368/annawikipediasx4.jpg [2007-02-08 21:51:10] <Dutch_DK> I hope our data won't be mishandled in that way.. And BTW.. Paris Hilton just moved up to the Top #1 spot on the "Worlds Dumbest Blondes" list. [2007-02-08 21:51:34] <BlueNinja> rofl [2007-02-08 21:52:10] -->| RalfZ_2_ (~chatzilla@dslb-084-056-045-005.pools.arcor-ip.net) has joined #osm [2007-02-08 21:53:08] <_80n> Some parts of Manchester are not very safe - we'd need to be a bit careful [2007-02-08 21:53:45] <cjb_ie> i'm sure /they're/ safe - but mappers in them may not be [2007-02-08 21:54:13] <deelkar> someone read too many discworld novels :) [2007-02-08 21:54:41] |<-- RalfZ_Munich has left irc.oftc.net (Read error: Operation timed out) [2007-02-08 21:54:49] <SteveC> the Shades of Manchester [2007-02-08 21:57:14] |<-- RalfZ_2 has left irc.oftc.net (Ping timeout: 480 seconds) [2007-02-08 21:57:23] =-= RalfZ_2_ is now known as RalfZ_2 [2007-02-08 21:57:29] |<-- Dutch_DK has left irc.oftc.net (Quit: Leaving) [2007-02-08 21:58:13] |<-- steve8 has left irc.oftc.net () [2007-02-08 21:58:34] <_80n> Should we designate specific times in the programme for mapping, or just assume that people will go out when there is a session that doesn't interest them [2007-02-08 21:59:10] <SteveC> hmmmm [2007-02-08 21:59:22] <deelkar> I'd make it free, but also allot some time for it [2007-02-08 22:00:20] <mcknut> yeah, I'm wondering about how much time people will have to do mapping [2007-02-08 22:00:50] <mcn> have a 2 hr lunch break? [2007-02-08 22:00:56] <_80n> I favour the latter option - there's always an uninteresting session that you need an excuse to skip [2007-02-08 22:00:57] <mcknut> 200 people spending 12 hours over two days talking about mapping will manage less [2007-02-08 22:03:21] |<-- TeLLuS has left irc.oftc.net (Quit: do best) [2007-02-08 22:03:21] <_80n> Sunset in Manchester on 14th July is 21:32 [2007-02-08 22:03:33] <mcknut> heh [2007-02-08 22:04:30] |<-- eckhart has left irc.oftc.net (Remote host closed the connection) [2007-02-08 22:05:25] <SteveC> how did you find that out? [2007-02-08 22:06:51] <_80n> Its all on the interweb thingy [2007-02-08 22:06:53] <_80n> http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/astronomy.html?n=302&month=7&year=2007&obj=sun&afl=-11&day=1 [2007-02-08 22:07:00] -->| enxrah (~enxrah@bathterror.free-online.co.uk) has joined #osm [2007-02-08 22:08:49] -->| RalfZ_Munich (~chatzilla@dslb-084-056-045-005.pools.arcor-ip.net) has joined #osm [2007-02-08 22:09:18] <_80n> interesting: last year sunset was at 21:31 - global warming seems to be making the days longer ;) [2007-02-08 22:10:41] <_80n> So there is scope for an evening mapping session from, say 5pm to 8pm [2007-02-08 22:10:57] <SteveC> yes very much so [2007-02-08 22:11:11] <SteveC> it'll be a pretty stunning party [2007-02-08 22:11:19] <mcknut> hehe [2007-02-08 22:11:30] <SteveC> can I start talking about AOB? [2007-02-08 22:11:37] <_80n> Yes [2007-02-08 22:12:00] <deelkar> _80n: we're moving towards a leap year, the days are a bit off [2007-02-08 22:12:46] <SteveC> I'm a bit worried we won't get Imi and Joerg [2007-02-08 22:12:49] <SteveC> and others [2007-02-08 22:13:22] <_80n> why - because of the location? [2007-02-08 22:13:30] <SteveC> yeah [2007-02-08 22:13:45] <SteveC> perhaps it will hot up but theres been a bit of a luke warm reaction to the conf [2007-02-08 22:13:59] <SteveC> hence me mailing Joerg etc [2007-02-08 22:14:56] <_80n> what can we do about it? [2007-02-08 22:15:17] <SteveC> lament it? [2007-02-08 22:15:36] <SteveC> Seriously, I'm not sure... pay flights for imi as he's on OSMF? [2007-02-08 22:16:00] <_80n> For sure - if its a question of cost [2007-02-08 22:16:29] <mcknut> would he be speaking? [2007-02-08 22:16:43] <SteveC> I'd hope so [2007-02-08 22:18:46] <_80n> How easy is it to get from Manchester airport to the Uni? [2007-02-08 22:19:07] <mcknut> should be fairly easy, train takes you to the center [2007-02-08 22:19:09] <SteveC> theres a train station in the airport IIRC [2007-02-08 22:19:51] -->| almien2 (~Ojw@213.78.86.114) has joined #osm [2007-02-08 22:19:51] <_80n> how far from the centre to the Uni? [2007-02-08 22:19:55] <mcn> i did manchester train stn -> univ a few years back, and walked it - wasn't far iirc [2007-02-08 22:21:08] <_80n> maybe we can arrange to meet people at the airport and transport them by car [2007-02-08 22:21:23] <--| nickb_ldn has left #osm [2007-02-08 22:21:35] <SteveC> yeah the walk is 10-15 mins [2007-02-08 22:21:47] <SteveC> that's doable [2007-02-08 22:21:57] <mcknut> yes, station -> uni is very short [2007-02-08 22:21:58] <_80n> it would remove some uncertainty from the journey for those who are not road warriors [2007-02-08 22:23:32] * _80n assumes the mega casino will not be open by July [2007-02-08 22:24:04] <mcknut> heh [2007-02-08 22:24:14] <mcn> wanna bet? [2007-02-08 22:24:15] <mcn> ;-) [2007-02-08 22:25:28] |<-- almien has left irc.oftc.net (Ping timeout: 480 seconds) [2007-02-08 22:26:22] <SteveC> ok how about this - we could try to get ppl from the EU in to these IRC meetings? [2007-02-08 22:26:51] <mcknut> btw we don't have oxford road station [2007-02-08 22:27:09] <mcknut> I think I have a trace tho [2007-02-08 22:27:40] <_80n> that would be good - get them involved a bit more [2007-02-08 22:31:03] |<-- l4rs has left irc.oftc.net (Remote host closed the connection) [2007-02-08 22:34:20] <_80n> So, anything else?