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Public transport

How should bus lines be mapped? In 2011, this scheme was approved and according to the proposal page it is active. I took the time to learn it and I tried it out, but as far as I can tell, it is not supported well. Apparently the wiki proposal page has not been cleaned up and not all of the information on it has been put on the page about public transport. I find this situation to be confusing. If you know more about how to tag public transport or want to share thoughts, please contact me here. --M!dgard (talk) 16:36, 30 November 2013 (UTC)

Have a look at the latest bus and tram stops and their routes I've been adding. I've been trying to take as many constraints as possible into account, while still keeping things practical.
Polyglot (talk) 17:50, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

Google is a verb, not company name

"Search for information about (someone or something) on the Internet using the search engine". Moreover, this verb adapted by some languages: "гуглить" in Russian Xxzme (talk) 18:05, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

Your quote is incomplete: "Search for information about (someone or something) on the Internet using the search engine Google". It cannot be denied that it is a direct reference to search service provided by Google. There are a lot of other search engines out there (ones that respect your privacy, for instance, but I won't go there now), and I don't really see why it is necessary to always specifically mention one, even if it is the most widespread. I thought it would better to make this reference more neutral. Moreover, Google is not our best friend when it comes to mapping, they won't even let us use their imagery ;) —M!dgard [ talk | projects | current proposal ] 18:20, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
Well yes, I missed next line. Surprisingly "гуглить" is more abstract and not limited to just Google engine. There nothing wrong if you link or refer to Google. Please do not remove references, link them to more appropriate pages or add missing content. Xxzme (talk) 18:28, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

Stropkaai / ter Platenbrug

Je mag sinds juni 2014 NIET meer links afslaan van ter Platenbrug naar de Stropkaai. Bovendien is de middenberm daar verlengd. Waarom je mijn wijzigingen teruggedraaid hebt onder het mom van "local knowledge" gaat mijn petje vér te boven, en dat als inwoner van Blankenberge... Bovendien moet je weten dat een fietspad enkel maar als cycleway gemapt mag worden als er een blauw rond bordje met een fiets staat. De onderdoorgang van ter Platenbrug is dus géén Cycleway maar een Track (geen Path want > 2 meter breed). Lokale groeten uit Gent. JoL71 (talk) 14:02‎, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

  • Dag JoL71, mijn local_knowledge komt doordat ik elke werkdag met de fiets over die brug passeer. Ik had er evenwel nog niet op gelet dat je nu niet meer mocht indraaien en zag de infrastructuur nog staan op de AGIV-luchtfoto's, ik had beter moeten kijken. Mijn oprechte excuses, ik zal erop letten beter uit te kijken vóór ik dingen verander.
  • Dat bruggetje: neem even een kijkje op de wikipagina voor highway=track, je ziet er "This tag represents roads for mostly agricultural use, forest tracks". De zin op highway=path waar jij uit opmaakt dat dit bruggetje geen path kan zijn, heb je bovendien niet goed gelezen: het deel "and it is not legally signposted or otherwise only allowed for pedestrians, cyclists or horseriders" heb je over het hoofd gezien.
    Dat je vindt dat het niet per definitie een echt fietspad is, daar kan ik inkomen. De facto is het wel een fietspad en ik map liever duidelijk wat er is dan de Belgische rotzooi aan verkeersborden te volgen. Akkoord, het is misschien wel beter een highway=path+bicycle=designated+foot=yes dan een highway=cycleway. Maar zeker geen highway=track IMO.
  • Ik wil ook nog even opmerken dat de layer=-1 die jij nu hebt toegepast op het bruggetje verkeerd is: het water is (per default) op layer 0, het fietsbruggetje gaat erboven dus moet het layer=1 hebben, en de Ter Platenbrug zelf heeft layer=2, want die gaat daar nog eens boven.
    En je hebt de turn:lanes=* niet gecorrigeerd nadat je de primary_link-weg verwijderd hebt, dat zal ik even doen nu.
Al bij al geloof ik dat we hier allebei kunnen uit leren :)
Met de beste bedoelingen en vriendelijke groeten, ook uit Gent —M!dgard [ talk | projects | current proposal ] 19:07, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
Ik kan me verzoenen met path, maar zeker niet met Cycleway ( http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dcycleway ) en al zeker niet met Bicycle=designated ! Bicycle=designated mag in België enkel toegepast worden (en ja, dat is een afspraak op de OSM mailing list) als er effectief zo'n blauw bord staat, en, dat stond er tien minuten geleden nog steeds niet ! De facto wordt het gebruikt door zowel voetgangers en fietsers. Een path dus, met foot=yes, bicycle=yes en motor_vehicle=no. JoL71 (talk) 11:00, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
Inderdaad, 20 minuten geleden was het een bord C34+M2 (witte cirkel met rode rand, onderbord "uitgezonderd fietsers"). Die 'uitgezonderd fietsers' deed me designated denken. bicycle=yes it is. Ik zie dat je ook bent vergeten de verbindingen met de baan te veranderen, die zijn aparte wegen omdat ze geen bruggen meer zijn. —M!dgard [ talk | projects | current proposal ] 11:57, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

"Data Primitive" is still useful

your edit. Have you seen Special:WhatLinksHere/Data_Primitive and search results?

How this term is "useful" if nobody is using it? "Protocol" was abandoned for same reason, we are using API more often. 10:33, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

I've encountered it not too long ago I think. I've modified it to say "old term". —M!dgard [ talk ] 10:42, 30 August 2015 (UTC)
I updated elements for now, so we don't have to explain that many equal terms. I think we can update Glossary when search results will contain single redirect. Xxzme (talk) 10:51, 30 August 2015 (UTC)
Note: link counters are still not working since the recent update to Mediawiki 1.28: counters are not updated since end of June 2017 due to a bug in this version (various changes in the database are delayed and supposed to be made now by background jobs, but background jobs are not working on this MediaWiki version (this is a bug with still no working fix released), so the local job queue is exploding with many fatal errors occuring each time they are tried: they are retried 3 times, without any success, then only they are abandonned/discarded).
We urgently need a new corrected version of MediaWiki (or revert from MW 1.28 back to MW 1.27), and then need to resubmit many abandoned jobs.
For now maintenance categories and various statistic tools are giving false results (including "What links here" with many missing items in the returned lists, or items that should no longer be listed). — Verdy_p (talk) 13:33, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

Your edits were wrong about the ns parameter in Template:Languages

You did not read the instructions. The ns parameter is effectively no longer needed since long. Your edits were reverted in the "WikiProject Cleanup" and "Category:Pages with ns argument to the languages template" pages. — Verdy_p (talk) 15:24, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

@Verdy p:: I read them and confirmed that they were followed on Template:Healthcare:blood_donation, but it still broke. Just compare Template:Healthcare:blood_donation without the ns syntax (broken) with the version with the ns syntax (working). So my conclusion is that at least it doesn't always work if you remove the ns. —M!dgard [ talk ] 11:45, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
You forget once again to follow the instructions. The parameter you give must be the EXACT English page name, be careful about capitalization, notably of the first letter of the template name whose capitalisation is forced in English only, but not in any other language. As the name is used as is, the translations will work only if they have the same capital initial too after the language prefix.
We could change a bit the template to enfoce this leading capital to match the English name, but it is jsut simpler to just use the parameter as is: once again: use the exact English page name in parameter and this works !
In summary, you should not have made these edits arguing that something was wrong, when in fact YOU were wrong by not following the instructions. Because this works once you understand it. — Verdy_p (talk) 12:04, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
The documentation said no such thing before you added it just now. So in the end I was not wrong: the instructions were followed and they didn't work. Pages were broken. Could you make a WikiProject Cleanup task to check and fix all of those? Before the ns's were removed there wasn't even a problem in the first place... —M!dgard [ talk ] 12:49, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
> YOU were wrong by not following the instructions.
I didn't even do those edits. I noticed that one of my pet pages was broken because someone came along following the instructions.
> Because this works once you understand it.
Then explain why it works on the task page instead of giving dumb instructions. —M!dgard [ talk ] 12:51, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
This was discussed long ago and many other users have understood it, you just came and suddenly decided they were wrong, and decided to delete the cleanup task before asking what was wrong or explain what was your problem, because you made in fact false assumptions. I just made now the instructions a bit clearer for you. — Verdy_p (talk) 13:20, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
So next time you find a problem in a tempalte that is so widely used on this wiki (almost all pages except user pages and very local subprojects/report pages), please report it precisely before changing/deleting instructions. — Verdy_p (talk) 13:22, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
Note: your single page was broken because it was the ONLY example (that did not exist before the instructions were created) where you have used leading lowercase letters after the language code prefix. Since always the English templates are capitalized (this will never change). But you incorrectly named the translations and decided that it was not working, instead of fixing your own error first. I have renamed the translated pages correctly (leading capital after the language code prefix, to match the English page name), they effectively don't need any "ns=" parameter as you can see now. — Verdy_p (talk) 13:28, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

traffic_signals=signal(s)

Merci d'avoir clarifié le Wiki et confirmé que traffic_signals=signal n'était pas approprié.

Juste pour ma culture, cela a-t-il été débattu sur une liste ? Djam (talk) 08:17, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

On en a brièvement discuté sur le chaîne Matrix belgique, et personne ne pouvait voir d'où ce tag étrange est venu. Bryan Housel disait qu'il était déjà utilisé beaucoup avant que des mappers ont commencé à l'ajouter avec iD. Je veux bien croire, mais d'après moi maintenant les gens l'ajoutent sans saver qu'il veut dire et sans évaluer si c'est le terme correct. (iD ne donne aucune explication pour les valuers des « boxes combos », et même en lisant le wiki il était impossible de trouver rien.) —M!dgard [ talk ] 00:15, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

Should cuisine=fish be deprecated in favor of seafood?

Hello. I see you have made some cosmetic edits in this article.

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Map_Features:Cuisine_(type_of_food)&diff=next&oldid=1580445

I understand that you were not the one to introduce this deprecation, but you've only acted on the text which is all fine. I'd just like to let you know that I'm removing this deprecation until further input and I welcome your views as well if you are interested in this issue.

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Template_talk:Map_Features:Cuisine_(type_of_food)#Should_fish_be_deprecated_in_favor_of_seafood.3F Thanks, and happy editing! Bkil (talk) 10:23, 6 May 2018 (UTC)

Okay, fine by me! I don't know the difference between seafood and fish cuisines, does the former focus more on delicacies like lobster, and the latter purely on fish? The seafood/fish restaurants I know have both, so I could understand the deprecation. But I don't care. I now see your rationale on the Cuisine talk page. —M!dgard [ talk ] 15:52, 6 May 2018 (UTC)

"opening hours" for a ferry route?

Just saw you added the suggestion to tag ferry routes with opening_hours=*, wouldn't it make much more sense to use service_times=*? The syntax for the tag is the same. --Dieterdreist (talk) 19:32, 28 January 2019 (UTC)

It had crossed my mind too, but I thought service_times was for points in time. The wiki page says both are allowed: […] largely follows Key:opening_hours, except points in time are acceptable in addition to the time ranges […]. Actually, allowing time points would probably be acceptable, for ferries that run once a day or less. —M!dgard [ talk ] 20:59, 28 January 2019 (UTC)
On the other hand, just a time point is not very useful since it doesn't tell you in which direction it goes. I'm not fully convinced either way now. @Dieterdreist:, what do you think? Maybe ask on the tagging ML? —M!dgard [ talk ] 00:14, 30 January 2019 (UTC)

structure tag

Based on https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Tag:man_made%3Dflare&diff=1854897&oldid=1805137&rcid=&curid=64014 you may also want to edit structure=* "This tag describes the structure of pylons carrying high voltage electricity cables. " Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 21:02, 26 May 2019 (UTC)

Hmm, I see there's also tower:construction=*. Maybe that one could be used instead of structure=*. Either would require modifications, I'm not sure which one would be better. —M!dgard [ talk ] 22:04, 26 May 2019 (UTC)

OSM-community-building

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=IRC&curid=3851&diff=1927524&oldid=1924182

Can you add link to this Telegram channel? I just tried to join and failed to figure out how can I do this. Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 11:44, 1 December 2019 (UTC)

Done! —M!dgard [ talk ] 12:26, 2 December 2019 (UTC)

shelter=separate

Can you look at https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Key:shelter#shelter.3Dseparate ? Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 22:04, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

Missing file information

Hello! And thanks for your upload - but some extra info is necessary.

Sorry for bothering you about this, but it is important to know source of the uploaded files.

Are you the creator of image File:Fluxys ground plate aerial imagery.png ?

Or is it copied from some other place (which one?)?

Please, add this info to the file page - something like "I took this photo" or "downloaded from -website link-" or "I took this screeshot of program XYZ" or "this is map generated from OpenStreetMap data and SRTM data" or "map generated from OSM data and only OSM data" or "This is my work based on file -link-to-page-with-that-file-and-its-licensing-info-" or "used file downloaded from internet to create it, no idea which one".

Doing this would be already very useful.

Licensing - photos

In case that you are the author of the image: Would you agree to open licensing of this image, allowing its use by anyone (similarly to your OSM edits)?

In case where it is a photo you (except relatively rare cases) author can make it available under a specific free license.

Would you be OK with CC0 (it allows use without attribution or any other requirement)?

Or do you prefer to require attribution and some other things using CC-BY-SA-4.0?

If you are the author: Please add {{CC0-self}} to the file page to publish the image under CC0 license.

You can also use {{CC-BY-SA-4.0-self}} to publish under CC-BY-SA-4.0 license.

Once you add missing data - please remove {{Unknown|subcategory=uploader notified March 2022}} from the file page.

Licensing - other images

If it is not a photo situation gets a bit more complicated.

See Drafts/Media file license chart that may help.

note: if you took screenshot of program made by someone else, screenshot of OSM editor with aerial imagery: then licensing of that elements also matter and you are not a sole author.

note: If you downloaded image made by someone else then you are NOT the author.

Note that in cases where photo is a screenshot of some software interface: usually it is needed to handle also copyright of software itself.

Note that in cases where aerial imagery is present: also licensing of an aerial imagery matter.

Help

Feel free to ask for help if you need it - you can do it for example by asking on Talk:Wiki: new topic.

Please ask there if you are not sure what is the proper next step. Especially when you are uploading files that are not your own work or are derivative work (screenshots, composition of images, using aerial imagery etc).

If you are interested in wider discussion about handling licencing at OSM Wiki, see this thread.

(sorry if I missed something that already states license and source: I am looking through over 20 000 files and fixing obvious cases on my own, in other I ask people who upladed files, but it is possible that I missed something - in such case also please answer)

--Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 14:28, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

User:Eimai/Belgian Roads

Is User:Eimai/Belgian Roads linked from elsewhere or used in some way? If yes, maybe it would be better to move it into main space of Wiki? Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 12:23, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

Yes, it is used in Belgium as an informal reference to translate frequent traffic signs to tags. We could move it to WikiProject Belgium, I asked in the Belgian Matrix/IRC channel where they think it should go. —M!dgard (talk) 12:44, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
That would be great! With such pages stuck in userspace people may be scared to edit it, and it is not clear whether it is worth maintaining it or not (applies especially to for example things like templates and images) Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 13:57, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia links in the wiki

Hi M!dgard, I noticed you are active in adding wikipedia links. Please do not add such links in the definition of a tag, as we want our definitions to be self contained. You can add wikipedia links to other sections such as "see also". The content on these linked pages can change at any time without notice, so it is not safe to rely on it for the purpose of tag definitions. --Dieterdreist (talk) 08:39, 13 February 2023 (UTC)

emergency=disaster_response proposal

Hi M!dgard, I notice that you edited the wiki page of amenity=emergency_service and also added some text to the link to the proposed emergency=disaster_response. If you have some knowlege of the belgian Civil Protection, it would be great to get some input from you on the forum or on the proposal discussion. --Os-emmer (talk) 17:58, 6 November 2023 (UTC)

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