Proposal talk:Adult services

Discuss Proposed features/Adult services here:

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Areas

Perhaps change the proposal to allow this feature to be a node (single shop) or area (larger shop or area with shops of this kind) --Bilbo 17:24, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

[Yes] This should be also used on areas (buildings). --Lulu-Ann 09:30, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Node should be enough as you only want to indicate the location. If this kind is put on building, than most buildings will be rendered as buildings, and that is completely unnecessary. --Skippern 18:51, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Don't tag for the renderer. Renderers will be able to put any icon in the center of a building area just like they can put a parking icon on a parking area. --Lulu-Ann 14:38, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Another way of doing this might be to add a tag to other shops, as some of them might be ordinary clothing stores, book stores, etc with a divided area dedicated to adult content. adult=true/false would allow a clothes store to have a room at the back that sells sexy clothing, with control of who might enter. I know there are a lot true/false tags, but this way we can add this to any existing shop or amenity tags. I know that various places around the world have different ways of regulating this, some places have dedicated adult shops (which can be tagged as shop=adult) while other have them mostly as part of other shops, while other places have no regulations on it, and you will find the products mixed in ordinary shops. Places that outlaw sex toys or other adult content does not need any tagging. --Skippern 18:51, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

This is no different to any other type of shop. Clearly we should map them just as we do for shop=convenience, shop=bakery, shop=*. Personally I tend to map shops as nodes, unless I'm in a fastidious frame of mind, or where the shop is very large with a significant building outline. If you disagree with my approach, lets talk about it over at Talk:Key:shop

Likewise handing a sex shop inside a department store is exactly the same problem as handling any other kind of shop inside a department store/mall. It is a problem. Let's discuss it over at Talk:Key:shop -- Harry Wood 14:20, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Red light district?

More approrpriate to makr the area as a 'red-light' district? ShakespeareFan00 20:08, 19 February 2008 (UTC) hmmm

Adult

shop=adult is imprecise as it includes liquor stores (and hash bars?) in many areas. in other places sex toys and porn are less restricted and to some degree open to minors (e.g. in japan). shop=sex would be a better choice. Elio 01:01, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

I don't think animore that this tag is working, because "being adult" is a different age in different countries. For a traveller it is important to know the number of years. There are also shops that sell (some) sex toys in Germany, where you are allowed to enter with 16 years (not 18). --Lulu-Ann 14:38, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

I agree to Elio, and would call this tag shop=erotic. an optional tag like adults_only=yes (also suitable for things like casinos, bars, ...) could be added. --D.S.E 10:13, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

I agree shop=erotic is a better option than the ambiguous shop=adult. For a 'red-light' district I would rather use a landuse tag, and then mark the individual feaures within the area with an appropriate tag (shop=erotic, amenity=brothel, amenity=night_club and so on)--Pinkpussy 14:19, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

The word "adult" is used to refer to this kind of thing in a very generic fashion. e.g. "adult content" in movies. It's a slightly odd turn of phrase, but doesn't necessarily have to mean that only adults are allowed, or that all adults would be interested in it. It's just a word people use to mean "sexually explicit". As such, I think it fits quite well, from an english point of view, but may be confusing for non-native english speakers. As you've said, I don't think specific age restrictions should have any relevance to use of the tag (but could be described by some other tag in combo) -- Harry Wood 14:02, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

I favor shop=erotic, as it is much less ambiguous and confusing (especially to non-native english speakers) than shop=adult. As for legal age restriction aspect, that could be left for min_age access key which could be invented (and used) independently (as also mentioned on Proposed_features/Legal_access_restriction and Talk:Tag:amenity=school for example)

I agree with Elio. shop=adult is too generic. I prefer shop=sex. In Italy such a shop is called a "sexy shop". I think that shop=sex can be misunderstood: someone can understand shop=sex a place where you can buy sex (a brothel), but sex=erotic is not completly correct. For example a place that sell lingerie (for example Victoria Secrets) sells erotic items, but it's not a sex shop. In the end I think shop=sex is the best choice. --wiso 00:30, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

shop=sex can not be confused with amenity=brothel, and if it could than shop=erotic could be equally confused with amenity=stripclub. Victoria Secrets are sold in a shop=clothes, with maybe a tag to limit it to lingerie. --Skippern 11:13, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

I also prefer "shop=sex". --Kslotte 11:22, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Changed my opinion to "shop=erotic". --Kslotte 09:07, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

legally regulated

why denote the regulated nature of these shops? lets concentrate on what the shop offers. legal aspects should be denoted with extra tags that could also apply to other restricted shops (drugs, casinos) Elio 01:01, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

I agree. Why is "legally regulated" included in the description? This is not easily verifiable, and not really all that interesting. I suggest removing it. For mappers who do want to make that distinction, invent a combo tag such as legally_regulated=yes/no or something. -- Harry Wood 14:08, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

minage=N?

We have maxheigt, we have maxwidth, why not use min age ? --Lulu-Ann 15:12, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Back into proposal process

Since this tag seems to be in use I see we need to re-write the proposal page (based on comments) and move it back into the proposal process. --Kslotte 12:02, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Moved back into Proposed features as Draft. --Kslotte 11:10, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

Tag name voting

Let's vote what tag you prefer. Alternatives are shop=sex, shop=adult, shop=erotic and shop=erotica. Read about reasoning in section "Adult" above. --Kslotte 09:11, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia prefer "sex shop" or "erotic shop" --Kslotte 18:21, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

Votes here:

• shop=sex --wiso 20:32, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
• shop=erotic --Kslotte 10:33, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
• minage=18/21 + shop=erotica "erotic" is nothing you can buy. "Sex" is something you can buy, but not in a sex-shop. If you want to buy sex toys and sex magazines, it is "erotica". --Lulu-Ann 17:25, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
  • I agree minage is userful tag to belong somewhere in Key:access and surrounding land - but that is worthy proposal by itself that should be made as separate proposed feature, as it can be used for many other tags (casinos, government/military buildings, hazard areas etc). Will you make a proposal (or point me to one if it is already on?) --mnalis 19:02, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
    • I have no time for that, go ahead. Lulu-Ann
• shop=sex "sex shops" trade in more than erotic material - I would actually hazard to guess that much of their trade is more pornographic than erotic in nature, and some is medical, and some educational. Only thing they all they have is common is the fact that they have something to do with sex (to stimulate sex and arouse oneself for sex, to improve sex performance, to replace sexual partner, to help with health-related sex issues etc). Also I would not think that many people would confuse "sex shop" with "brothel" --mnalis 19:02, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

Tag:shop=erotic

What's this: Tag:shop=erotic? --wiso 22:56, 22 August 2010 (BST)

Tagged --Kslotte 14:26, 27 August 2010 (BST)

It is in the map features... --wiso 01:04, 26 September 2010 (BST)