Proposal talk:Lifts

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We need to change the proposal to Highway=Lift ?

There is a "soft" convention that we use British English when there are several different words available. Not always necessary and in some situations the British English word could be confusing. Elevator is American English. Lift is the British English word, and very importantly it is globally more common than Elevator, as talked about in the Talk Page for the wikipedia articles on Elavator & Lift. Link.. It appears several people have already used the highway=elevator tag, but it is only a small number and could be easily changed, or have highway=lift added. -Jamicu 23:32, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

A lift is known in Germany as a means of transportation for skiing to go uphill. That's why I chose elevator. --Lulu-Ann 13:20, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
This is proof why there is a "soft" convention that we carry on using "British English" words for keys/tags. Lift may have a different meaning in Germany, but all words usually have very different meanings around the world. Therefore I agree with the view, or convention, that it is safer to use only one "language" when creating tags. I assume it simply makes life easier and will result in less arguments? I'd like to make it clear I am not implying the British English is a better language! It appears British English was used when this site was started up in the UK, and we need to continue using it to maintain a simple standard protocol. (There are some cases where I think the British English word would be confusing! and better replaced with a more descriptive phrase eg I agree Wastewater_Plant is better than the "British English" Sewage_Farm)-Jamicu 16:09, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
I support this proposal and though as a Brit generally a bit touchy about "my" language, agree that elevator is unambiguous internationally. MikeCollinson 11:12, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Escalator

We also need an Escalator attribute, in Italy there are several public space / open to the public escalators like this --Simone 14:22, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

I believe this tag makes really sense. Looking forward to vote. -- Fröstel 13:28, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Yes, we need this, for instance for the Matte Lift in Bern, Switzerland -- Gubaer 13:39, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

I would recommend to use it with

  • foot = yes/no
  • cargo = yes/no (with foot = no and cargo = yes for cargo elevators that have no back wall)
  • bycicle = yes/no
  • stroller = yes/no
  • wheelchair = yes/no
  • motorcar = yes (Alter Elbtunnel, Hamburg!)
  • access = key_needed
  • maxweight = [kg]
  • access = ...
  • braille = yes/no (for buttons with braille writing for the blind)

--Lulu-Ann 08:59, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Agree with Simone. Although I also know of an elevator (the Ascenseur du Faubourg, in Quebec City), I also know of a few public escalator/ramps. The one going up from Université-de-Montréal metro station to the main building in Montreal comes to mind. Circeu 02:46, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

Both, elevator and escalator are really needed, especially together with the proposed feature platform - most of the bigger and newer railway stations have elevators and escalators. --Lesi 21:47, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

How would like to start the voting ?? Aikon 15:31, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Concerning escalators: in this proposal we should only decide about elevators. Escalators need a further proposal. They are more complicated: often they are are combined with normal stairs, so something like highway=steps, escalator=yes would be nice. In some places there are separate escalators for going downstairs and upstairs, sometimes there is only one escalator which changes its direction or always goes in one direction.

What now?

What happened to this proposal? I think this is very useful, especially with the Tags Lulu-Ann proposed. Why not move to voting? --Driver2 17:01, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Why not just skip the voting and and start using it? Jono 10:06, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
Even though you're probably right de facto, it's necessary demonstration of general agreement, otherwise everyone uses everything in a slightly different way, e.g. transport=lift, building=elevator, ... etc.--MapperOG 22:30, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

I agree with Driver2. Very useful tag, especially for use by disabled people. -- FabC 9:00, 2 May 2009 (UTC) I support this proposal for lifts and would like to start using it. I agree that the escalator part should be a separate proposal.--EdH 17:30, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

How to use

Since an elevator only goes vertically, it is sensible to assume it should be represented by a node. However, how do you connect it to ways? If an elevator connects two ways at their ends, it could just be the node in the middle. But what if an elevator connects two ways, that run parallel to eachother, but on different levels? You can't just put the elevator on a node of the ways, you have to use some sort of way to connect both ways and put the elevator in the middle. Would you just use a fitting highway-type like footway, or a special 'elevator-way'? --Driver2 17:14, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

There are elevators going not only vertically. Hannover town hall have such or the paris Eiffel Tower. Thus, it should be a node I think. We need ways for routing. For display less important. --Bahnpirat 09:25, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
A way on a given level shouldn't go 'though' an elevator -- it would generally either stop there or be off to one side or the other. So for two ways at different levels, linked by an elevator, you'd probably want something like this:
     |
     |
     +--O
     |  |
A----|--+----
     |
     |
     B

The two long ways (A,B) are on different levels cross without a common intersection node, and they are joined by two shorter connecting ways which meet at the elevator node 'O'. The ways on the upper level may want bridge=yes depending on how things are arranged. Routing algorithms should presumably regard access through the elevator node in a similar way to the various barrier tags that exist. Rjw62 11:12, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

The problem with this approach is that if you're not connecting to a way, but somewhere in the middle of an area. Take this <a href="http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-27.407648&lon=153.059255&zoom=18&layers=B000FTF">overpass at a railway station</a> for example: The elevator takes you from the overpass to the middle of the platform, where there is nothing to "connect" it to.
I've posted a comment to the next suggestion of a "level" designation which would work better in these instances. -- Ash 14:17, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Level

I think we need a tag to clarify on which level ways enter and leave. This can not be done by the layer tag as the layer tag is only an information for the renderer which object shall be drawn under and over each other. I will propose a level tag to identify levels e.g. in subway stations. --Lulu-Ann 13:28, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

I agree with this, however for routing purposes I'd propose that layer is important. If you have an elevator that stops on two different layers (for example layer=0 and layer=1,) it's important to specify that this particular node can route between the two.

I would propose that to convey this information, we might use a format similar to highway=elevator; level=0,1. -- Ash 14:12, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

I agree with the need to add a tag, clarifying on which layers or levels the lift/elevator stops. Although not being a native speaker, I think the levels a lift stops are called "stop levels". Therefore I propose a tag like lift:stop_levels=1,2,3 or lift:stop_layers=-1,0,1,2,... --Spielkind 19:41, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

I think it would be much easier to create a relation including the elevator and the streets/places/stations connected to the elevator. --T3QU1LA 13:40, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

Paternoster

A paternoster is an elevator without doors that does not stop. Use highway=elevator, wheelchair=no for it. --Lulu-Ann 08:27, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Shop for elevators and elevator installations in buildings

Hi, I think this is related because when I typed elevator I was redirected to this page. I've spotted a shop here in Thessaloniki, Greece which provides services to repair elevators/install elevators in buildings. It's a related topic. Logictheo 13:41, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

This is a related topic to shop=whatever, not to elevators, I think. --Lulu-Ann 12:45, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Rendered-as: Icon

  • For rendering issues I propose to use a square with three people inside and an up-down arrow above. This icon seems to be quite standard. There is an according icon in the Open Clipart Library under public domain license: http://openclipart.org/media/files/Anonymous/12721 --Spielkind 19:59, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Level Maps

Hi there,

I have started to draft a generalised approach to stacked structures with levels and vertical ways, such as elevators. See Relations/Proposed/Level_Map

Doing so, I have tried to be aligned with this proposal. Of course, if vertical ways become reality, that would change the elevator tagging slightly.

Marl 19:13, 26 September 2011 (BST)

What's the status?

What's the status of this proposal? Bjohas (talk) 20:09, 1 July 2016 (UTC)

How to map subway/metro/tube elevators

How do I map subway elevators? ID editor does not mark the "highway=elevator" with an elevator icon.

Also, the ground-level elevator outside a metro station is a metro entrance, so "railway=subway_entrance" should be added to it. (Crossposted on talk:Metros). --Josemoya (talk) 12:57, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

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