Talk:Key:drink:*
What is this all about?
27 edits on the wiki page, but no discussion so far!? A proposal not marked as a proposal. What's up with this tagging scheme? Why are we supposed to use it, and in what cases? An unlimited number of keys, one for each single beverage product in the world? When a given supermarket sells 100 different drinks, are we supposed to add 100 tags to the supermarket node? Who keeps the data up to date? I don't believe this belongs in a geo database. --Fkv (talk) 17:21, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
- Ultimately I think it's because a lot of mappers are coffee/tea/alcohol enthusiasts, and tag in ways they find useful. I don't think there's any need to list every beverage a shop sells, but "where is the closest place I can buy beer/wine/espresso?" is a very common question, and it's good to have the data available to answer that question. And to many people, the types of drinks available at a restaurant are just as useful as its cuisine. It's an important part of culture.
- Personally, I live in an area where, due to licensing restrictions, many establishments serve beer and wine, and a subset of those also serve liquor. Similarly, some grocery stores sell beer and some do not. Even some pharmacies sell beer. This is good information to have. --Jmapb (talk) 19:55, 4 April 2018 (UTC)
Replacement for "retail"?
As of last year, retail has been scrapped as a valid value for drink:*, at least on this wiki. What would be the appropriate tagging for a shop that sells some beverages (say, coffee) that can be consumed onsite and others (say, beer) that cannot? This is a very common situation in the USA: A convenience store with a few tables where you can buy and consume packaged food, soft drinks, coffee, but does not have the license to allow beer consumption on the premises even though they do sell beer. I thought that this was a situation for drink:beer=retail. So now, what's a good way to tag this -- maybe drink:beer=takeaway-only?
Probably, though, it's better to assume that a drink:beer=yes tag on a shop implies takeaway-only, since this is by far the more usual case... If so, what's the proper tag for the other case? Maybe drink:beer=yes;consumption_permitted? Some other wordy monstrosity? Or is this data simply too granular to describe cleanly? --Jmapb (talk) 19:55, 4 April 2018 (UTC)
This definitely needs some clarity! Personally, I think the values, "bottled" "takeaway" and "retail" are all potentially appropriate values for drink=* but in my view, mean different things. There are many instances that are common in the US that aren't clear based on the current wiki definitions.
My threefold solution is as follows:
1) Add the value:
drink:*=retail -- "If a given drink is sold only for consumption offsite and is not packaged at the given shop (e.g., sold on the shelf)"
2) Clarify the definitions of the value drink:*=bottled, changing it to the following -- "if the drink is put in a cup, can, bottle, or other container here, for consumption offsite at a later time (e.g., coffee in a cup, beer from a tap put in a growler or crowler, or a mixed drink in a takeaway cup)"
3) Remove the value:
drink:*=takeaway. If a place offers takeaway beverages, the tags "bottled" or "takeaway=*" would be sufficient and collectively exhaustive
- A cafe that sells wine on the shelf for later consumption could be tagged "drink:wine=retail"
- A bar that sells drinks for consumption at the bar (in glasses) and for the road (in plastic cups, for example) could be tagged "drink:liquor=served;bottled"
- A coffeehouse that sells coffee "for here" in ceramic mugs and "to go" in paper cups could be tagged "drink:coffee=served;bottled (although at least in the US, this is implied if tagged amenity=cafe)
- A drive-through cafe that sells coffee in paper cups could be tagged drink:coffee=yes or drink:coffee=bottled and would inherently have the tag "takeaway=only" making it clear that the beverage cannot be consumed there, and the key drink:coffee=* would be less important
--mbeyerle (talk) 17:59, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
edits to the above for clarity
--mbeyerle (talk) 18:27, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
- Yes, they are indeed different things. I have added retail back to the documentation because it is used extensively (eg mostly used value for drink:wine after yes). The wiki should document what is done, and retail is a typical value. takeaway is defined as ‘ready to consume’ (coffee to go example), bottled is about being filled into bottles at the place, and retail is about selling a packaged drink to an end customer (as opposed to sales which is about selling to a reseller). —-Dieterdreist (talk) 23:22, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
BYOB?
I could have sworn I read a discussion about =byob (or =bring-your-own?) being a possible value for drink:* tags. But now I can't find it anywhere. Obviously wasn't here on the wiki, but I can't find it on the mailing lists either. Maybe I dreamt it. --Jmapb (talk) 19:55, 4 April 2018 (UTC)
- Came looking for this. I am tagging an establishment that is byob for beer and wine only. Slow usage, but is anyone opposed to adding this as a possible value? BubbleGuppies (talk) 07:09, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
- drink:beer=byob
Refrigerated bottles
For bottled drinks at retailers, it may be useful to distinguish places where the bottles are merely sold from those where they're also refrigerated. I may have used the difference for Pasila, Helsinki. Nemo (talk) 09:12, 6 February 2021 (UTC)
served or sold
Is this about “served” or “sold”? For “sold” there is also the specific “sells:*” so for “drink:*” “served” alone would be sufficient for all combinations. —Dieterdreist (talk) 18:53, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
I agree with Dieterdreist that this is unclear in this page. The first sentence of the wiki suggests "drink is the prefix for several drink:*=* keys to describe the specific drink which is served" but is referenced in the tag shop=alcohol https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:shop%3Dalcohol . Given suggestions on that page and they key's usage on the map, to me it seems that drink:* can be used in instances where beverages are served, or sold. In addition to changing the values for this key (in the discussion above in the section "Replacement for "retail"?"), I suggest the first sentence of this page be edited to read, "drink is the prefix for several drink:*=* keys to describe the specific drink which is served or sold" (bold added only in talk page for clarity) --mbeyerle (talk) 19:25, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
sorry for the noise, I’m on mobile and the wiki showed me the mobile view (usually I use the desktop view) and I missed some content on the page. It’s all clearly stated in the values section, so “bottled” means put in a bottle on the premises, and “draught” means put in a glass (or decanter) for consumation? Dieterdreist (talk) 19:40, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
Coffee brewing options
How would one tag coffee brewing options, such as batch brew or cold brew? --Okwithmydecay (talk) 13:13, 16 September 2023 (UTC)