Talk:Key:operational status

non operational

I think, it's just a typo that the tag "non operational" is suggested with an hyphen instead of an underscore as in all the other tags. According to taginfo the relation between these variants is 328:249 in favour for the hyphenated version... As this tag is quite rarely used at all, I dare to change the wiki for harmonization the tagging in the hope that this will make the mapping a bit more consistent in the future. (Even in spite of the fact, that "non-operational" occurs more frequently than "non_operational"...) --Segubi (talk) 16:40, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

Actually, non-operational (or nonoperation) is correct English orthography and non operational is wrong (see Wiktionary, Lexico/Oxford, Merriam-Webster or Collins). --Dafadllyn (talk) 20:46, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for the information. That explains the tagging - I can turn it the other way round. --Segubi (talk) 08:47, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

staff_has_been_notified

Yes, there are tags like

operational_status=needs_maintenance

But then everyone who sees such a tag will report the broken (toilet, etc.) to the authorities. 100 good Samaritan reports.

Better would be an additional way to indicate that though there is a problem, someone has already reported it.

Indeed, maybe even have a report date field one could enter.

operational_status=needs_maintenance
reported_to_staff=2023-07-25

Wow, maybe even

expected_to_be_back_in_operation=2023-08-31

Jidanni (talk) 13:03, 9 August 2023 (UTC)

operational_status=needs_maintenance and fix_guidepost=*

After getting lost in the regional reporting system concerning damages and errors in the official (driven by the authorities) cycling signposting system in Germany I started to use a key fix_guidepost=* for saving the description of a problem during mapping of the cycling routes themselves. Some have begun to adopt this, if the usage of this tag should spread, it may be worth mentioning it here. But it doesn't exactly describe the operational status but can be used to send the information about the problems to the operators and - if added - as a hint to other users of the route or the map whether someone has already reported the damage.

--Segubi (talk) 16:11, 9 August 2023 (UTC)

Don't be selfish

OSM is for everyone. Each user can get a different use out of the same features.

• To one needing a ride, a disused bus stop serves no purpose, but it would still be of use to one looking for shelter from the rain of heat exhaustion at noon or one arranging a car sharing meeting point.
• A shelter whose roof is riddled with holes or whose sides are damaged may still work reasonably well against the Sun. At which point does it become "disused" if it can still find daily use despite needing maintenance?
• A disused escalator may still serve as steps if it is not fenced off.
• A partially broken traffic calming device and might still bump vehicles if they arrive at the correct spot (however, their surface may not be level and thus safe for the visual impaired to cross them).
• Partially broken rainwater inlets may still collect water, but would then need to exercise caution when crossing it
• An empty street cabinet in a transparent housing may appear disused to you, but would be fully functional to the visual impaired who use it as a landmark for navigation via cane and texture.
• A statue whose half has been destroyed by a fallen tree branch is still considered a statue and may still fulfill its function of being available for photographing or reading the plaque - it just needs repairs and won't be as pretty until fixed. Given a choice, you usually prefer to photograph unbroken things, so accessing this information remotely is valuable for planning an itinerary.
• Animated church bells or a musical fountain may still be enjoyed by a deaf person without them noticing that failure in their sound mechanism would make it mute.

Bkil (talk) 21:02, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

"A disused escalator may still serve as steps if it is not fenced off." - in such case disused:conveying=yes or removing conveying=yes is much better tagging than operational_status=*. First of all it is making clear that this object is not moving but is usable as steps, while operational_status=broken may mean that it is not passable at all. In addition operational_status=non-operational and similar is a trolltag obnoxious to support and requiring special handling from data consumers.

Things you describe here are in general true, but you posted it seemingly (based on context) as something supporting operational_status=* over alternatives - without explaining at all why operational_status=* is actually best tagging scheme in this cases

Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 18:06, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

aiming for quality information has nothing to do with egotism

• A disused bus stop :

you don't take shelter at a bus stop in the osm sense, but in the shelter near it -> 2 objects.

disused:public_transport=platform (the fact that it is no longer a bus stop, i.e. a place where you take the bus)

amenity=shelter : the place to take shelter

• A shelter which no longer protects against the rain but still against the sun. amenity=shelter disused:shelter_type=weather_shelter shelter_type=sun_shelter + description

• A disused escalator can still be used as a staircase highway=steps disused:conveying=yes or conveying=no

Marc marc (talk)