Talk:Tag:amenity=spa
Spa is ambiguous
* A mineral spring ** place or resort with a mineral spring. ** commercial establishment offering health and beauty treatment... steam baths, exercise equipment, massage. * (also spa bath or pool) A bath containing hot aerated water. http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/spa
See also: http://www.101beautysalon.com/spa/spatype.html & What is the difference between a Spa Resort and a Destination Spa??
I think for the spring we should use natural=spring and subtag (spring:mineral=yes, spring:hot=yes...) Proposed features/Hot Spring. For a resort, tourism=spa_resort might be usefull, maybe spa=yes in combination with hotels etc. leisure=* also seems like a good option for certain spas. Maybe also consider healthcare=* --AndiG88 (talk) 13:05, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
- Sounds all dandy, I'll see if I can put together a proposal on at least the tourism=spa_resort with the meaning of: commercial establishment offering health and beauty treatment... steam baths, exercise equipment, massage.. For the more serious (that 101beautysalon call Destination Spa) the german-speaking community has some kind of proposal at DE:How_to_map_a/Heilquelle. /Johan Jönsson (talk) 22:28, 2 August 2014 (UTC)
- As always when I write a proposal, I find that there isn't really any good rationale for adding the feautrure at all, but here it is: Proposed features/Spa_resort. /Johan Jönsson (talk) 00:17, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
moved from wiki page
Presumably a tag for spa. Nobody documented or even proposed this properly.
Some mappers are using leisure=spa instead. Seems better.
- It's still bad, because it makes not distinction between a spring and a spa facility. See Talk:Tag:amenity=spa --AndiG88 (talk) 13:10, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
Spa types etymology ontology taxonomy
Short version:
- A natural spa (spring) should be natural=spring or natural=hot_spring
- A hydrotherapy spa (hot tub) should be leisure=hot_tub or lesisure=spa
- A day spa without springs or hot tubs should be shop=beauty
- A spa resort should be leisure=resort + leisure=hot_tub or leisure=resort + amenity=public_bath + bath:type=hot_spring and shop=massage, leisure=sauna, etc. appropriate
Even though there are multiple uses for the word Spa, the only use not already addressed by de facto tags would be Spa as a hydrotherapy leisure item and so is not ambiguous. Spa is also the legal term for what many call a hot tub. That being said leisure=hot_tub is probably best for your average public swimming pool or hotel. Add leisure=resort vs. amenity=public_bath + bath:type=hot_spring depends on how the establishment advertises itself to the public as a resort or bath house, etc. --Mamanakis (talk) 23:25, 16 November 2022 (UTC)
Longer Version:
Natural Spa
Spa is something of a recursive eponym. The Online Etymology Dictionary says the following of spa
- "medicinal or mineral spring," 1620s, from the name of the health resort in eastern Belgium, known since 14c., that features mineral springs believed to have curative properties. The place name is from Walloon espa "spring, fountain." As "commercial establishment offering health and beauty treatments," 1960.[1]
Because spa is a place with a mineral spring or hot spring the spring should be tagged as a spring or hot spring. natural=spring + water_characteristic=mineral or natural=hot_spring + water_characteristic=mineral one could use natural=spa --Mamanakis (talk) 23:25, 16 November 2022 (UTC)
Resort Spa or Spa Locality
This is an example of Synecdoche or Metonymy as a Resort Spa or Spa Locality is a type of resort or place with a natural spa/mineral spring and can have the spring labeled as above or as a property or part or node located at the Resort facility or locality. leisure=resort. Tag other shops, amenities and leisure items at the resort per usual methods. --Mamanakis (talk) 23:25, 16 November 2022 (UTC)
Day Spa, Beauty Spa, Health Spa, etc.
Also an example of Synecdoche or Metonymy but more vauge in that a natural or artificial spa need not be present. Use shop=beauty as the page for beauty includes spa as a type of beauty establishment. If additional services are offered, shop=massage, leisure=sauna, etc., then tag as usual. If the facility is large use resort as above and tag the amenities, shops and leisure activities as usual. A useful mental test is to ask if one went to a spa and got a spa, what would that be? It would be hot water soaking in a tub/pool/spring of some sort. No kind of therapist gives a spa to a person. Everything besides "I went to the spa and soaked" is one step removed. "I went to the spa and got a massage" or "I went to the spa and got a facial" both have massage and facial as the activity which have their own tags, keys and values. --Mamanakis (talk) 23:25, 16 November 2022 (UTC)
Artificial or Hydrotherapy Spa
leisure=hot_tub works, but hydrotherapy spa is the industry and legal term according to The Pool and Hot Tub Alliance, The International Code Council, and the International Association of Plumbing & Mechanical Officials both the Uniform Swimming Pool, Spa and Hot Tub Code, The United Kingdom Spa Association and the 1999 ANSI/NSPI-2 American National Standard for Public Spas as well as the Sport England Pool Types and Technical Design Issues Appendix and various UK Codes of Practices [2]
HOT TUB
A spa constructed of wood with sides and bottoms fanned separately; and the whole shaped to join together by pressure from the surrounding hoops, bands, or rods; as distinct from spa units fanned of plastic, concrete, metal, or other materials.
HYDROTHERAPY SPA
A unit that may have a therapeutic use but which is not drained, cleaned or refilled for each individual. It may include, but not be limited to, hydrotherapy jet circulation, hot water, cold water mineral baths, air induction bubbles, or any combination thereof. Industry terminology for a spa includes, but is not limited to," therapeutic pool," "hydrotherapy pool," "whirlpool," "hot spa," etc. NSPI Standards exclude facilities used or under the direct supervision and control of licensed medical personnel.
A hot tub is a type of Spa, but a spa is not a type of hot tube. Put another way hot tub is a subset of spa.
--Mamanakis (talk) 23:25, 16 November 2022 (UTC)
Let's reactivate this tag
I am baffled to learn that tag is depreciated - why is depreciated, it obviously is useful for tagging couple of map features: (1) "spa hotel"; (2) "spa resort" and even (3) "spa town" ? Just to day, although for the first time and in regard of one place, I used it on several edits today. Why shouldn't we reactivate amenity=spa; is there any really significant reason not to ?--Santasa (talk) 19:39, 22 November 2023 (UTC)