Talk:Tag:amenity=waste disposal

Discussion

• yes, good idea. there's lots of stuff dropped in the waterways tag, which is anything but Myfanwy 02:27, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

• Hmm, I can't follow the proposal. It says that waste_disposal is basically a bad name, bad then it proposes to use it in a different way?!? - Ulfl 03:29, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

• It says that waste_disposal is a bad name for the current definition. The proposal is a) to make the definition fit the name, and b) to move it into the "amenity" namespace. Gerv 22:13, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

• We should find a better tag name before going to a vote then. - Ulfl 22:33, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

• The name is fine - it fits the new definition. Do you have an alternative? We could have rubbish_disposal, but rubbish is more a Britishism, or trash_disposal, but trash is an Americanism. waste_disposal seems the best compromise (although you could argue it's too general). Gerv 09:15, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

• yes, good. Just a note local MDs (councils in Canada) often provide waste disposal facilities for motorhome visitors to dump/pump out their garbage/toilets. --Mungewell 18:45, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

• First of all, I see little point in differing between water-bound waste and road-bound waste. Sometimes, you can just park/moor and dump, and sometimes you have to carry the toilet tank or trash bags to a dumping station. Also, I think we should differ between
  • Brown liquids (whatever ends up in chemical toilets)
  • Grey liquids (soapy water, like from showers and dish washing)
  • Solids (paper, food scraps, glass bottles, tin cans, anything else)

and so on. Where I live, it's much easier to find a place to dispose of solids than brown liquids. Also, there are quite a few recycling stations that specialize in stuff like glass and/or metal. Actually, how is waste disposal different from recycling? It's not like it leaves the planet.

Proposal: Waste Disposal is just a form of Recycling. Some recycling stations are easily accessible from the road, some from the waterways, and some from both. It's all recycling, and it's accessible from road/water/both.

Is this discussion specific for the voting section below, or are they unrelated? waste disposal as a tag sounds natural for any kind of areas where you dispose of waste. Logictheo 19:24, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Trash / litter

I'd like to make a distinction between the small public trash collection bags (often with a very small opening only) where one would put a candy wrapper or a used handkerchief, and the ones with a larger opening where a plastic bags full of household trash can be disposed of. Any native care to comment, which would be better to add to the list: waste=litter for the small stuff or waste=household for the daily bags?

Voting

• I approve this proposal -- Gerv 19:15, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
• I approve this proposal --PerroVerd 12:18, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
• I approve this proposal --Ulfl 01:57, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
• I approve this proposal.--Walley 18:30, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
• I approve this proposal --Mungewell 18:46, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
• I approve this proposal. --Florianschmitt 21:04, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
• I approve this proposal. --DrMark 14:42, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
• I approve this proposal. --Hawke 22:51, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
• I approve this proposal. --Chrischan 21:50, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
• I oppose this proposal. This is recycling --Bjalf 02:28 1 June 2008 (CET)

which kind of waste

In harbours "waste disposal" is an important thing. Therefore we need a differentig key for waste, and for every value a different icon:

<tag k="waste" v="..."/>

where value can be:

• trash - (for trash/rubbish)
• excrement - (for excrement evacuation systems for boats)
• oil - (for motoroil, diesel and emulsions)
• chemical toilet - (for chemical toilets)
• grey water - (for soapy water, like from showers and dish washing)

--Markus 09:47, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Waste disposal organised for the city - not (specific) for boats/...

In the places that I lived there always was a public place where inhabitants could take the waste they want to get rid of immediatelly or that can not be left on the street to be taken by the garbage car. This waste is not only 'recycling' waste. To me this is a 'waste disposal' but the page indicates this is only for boats and caravaning? What to do? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Le top (talk • contribs) 20:13, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

I don't think the page says this is only for boater and caravaners, but those things are an emphasis in the current text for some reason. I agree this is odd.

The photo clearly suggests a much more conventional large bin full of household waste. If this is included then this tag is going to crop up much more often, than just boating/caravanning contexts. Also it becomes more important to be clear about the distinction with amenity=waste_basket (But I think we can be clear. Those are for pedestrians on a street) -- Harry Wood 03:09, 16 June 2012 (BST)

Illegal waste disposal

How to tag illegal waste disposal places? Some areas have quite aggressive local filth around (and I mean human ones), so these areas are pretty permanent. --grin ✎ 08:14, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

They should definitely not be tagged as amenity=waste_disposal. Maybe create a separate tag for illegal landuses (landuse=illegal?), where waste disposal can be a subtag, that way you can tag other forms of illegal landuse, such as squatted property, illegal graveyards, etc. --Skippern 11:45, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. See Proposed features/landuse:illegal. --grin ✎ 10:36, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

confusing

Should it be used to map private waste collection points where waste is picked up by garbage trucks? Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 15:39, 7 March 2016 (UTC)

If there is a permanent object (per OSM standard practice), and if the object is for household bags (per the tag definition), then yes, why not? Do you have a picture of something like you mean? Math1985 (talk) 15:50, 7 March 2016 (UTC)

It is a waste container on the bottom of garbage chute (for household bags) and a waste container for some dry recyclables (paper, plastic, metal). It is behind doors, accessible for residents and garbageman ( https://www.google.pl/maps/@50.0798803,19.8855599,3a,43.8y,222.83h,86.08t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sV8NqSWeRRx0FZ_ffqdh-GQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en ). Some are standalone, for buildings without garbage chutes like houses, newer blocks of flats ( https://www.google.pl/maps/@50.1037354,19.9413231,3a,75y,26.39h,81.24t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s3gc8NsjBE1ba0XYHgQJvRw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en ). Images are also in https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/issues/419#issuecomment-193321552 Example of place where I tagged this objects is at http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/ePU Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 22:00, 8 March 2016 (UTC)

See also http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Tag:amenity%3Dwaste_disposal&diff=prev&oldid=1157729 that added unclear "Mapping of inaccessible private bins is discouraged." - is it about private bins that are both inaccessible and invisible to public making their verification unreasonably hard?Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 14:55, 2 November 2017 (UTC)

Also, if one should not use this tag, even with access=private how private, verifiable waste collections points should be mapped? Because mass deletion is unlikely to be a good solution Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 14:58, 2 November 2017 (UTC)

We see

access=* - to specify the access. Mapping of objects unverifiable by general public is discouraged.

I verify that the access=private for the dumpster next door. So having verified that fact, I shall proceed to map it. I hope I understood everything correctly. I'll map it as

amenity=waste_disposal
waste=trash
access=private

Jidanni (talk) 12:48, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

Dumpsters and large bins?

The current text says it is for medium-sized bins, which are apparently larger than a waste basket.

Does this include "dumpsters" (US English?), perhaps known as a "skip bin" in the UK: large metal bins that can fit many trash bags, designed to be lifted up by a special fork-lift-style device on a lorry.

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/dumpster https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/skip

They are often found at large offices, businesses, campsites and caravan sites? I'm guessing the answer is yes. In that case, I would like to change the description from "medium-size" to "large" --Jeisenbe (talk) 08:31, 5 July 2019 (UTC)

In iD when we pick "Garbage dumpster" we end up with just

amenity=waste_disposal

It seems to me a lot of information has just been thrown away at that point.

Let's say you call 911 using information from OSM. The much more general "waste disposal" will not help very the dispatcher in finding where you are talking about. Jidanni (talk) 12:56, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

Solar compactor

BigBelly

How to tag a Solar (waste) compactor ?

--Pyrog (talk) 13:07, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

@Pyrog: Is it a waste basket with some extra functionality? Or something else? Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 14:10, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

Yes, it's a waste basket with a compactor.

--Pyrog (talk) 07:32, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

So it would be amenity=waste_basket + something to tag that it has a compactor + something to tag as solar powered.It seems that https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/search?q=compact finds basically nothing, https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/solar_powered has some minimal use. There is Tag:generator:source=solar but I am unsure is it fitting. In general, if you want plenty of responses then tagging mailing list is a good place. Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 09:38, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

I would tag it as amenity=waste_basket + compactor=yes + generator:source=solar/solar_powered=yes Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 09:40, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

No, plesae don't, I mean generator:source=solar is intended for solar fields delivering power to the grid. Do you intend to tag each solar-powered calculator that way? ;-) --Nospam2005 (talk) 08:21, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

Cigarette butts recycling/collector

Ballot Bin

How to tag a cigarette butts disposal ?
Some of them are used to vote.

--Pyrog (talk) 13:37, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

vote? On what? Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 14:09, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

Anything :)

• Do you like the place in Summer or in Winter ?
• How much water is polluted by one cigarette butts: 200 or 500 litters ?
• Who is the best player in the world : Ronaldo or Messi ?

It is just a "funny" trick to encouraged people to put butts in the disposal, not in the street.

The trick is called a  nudge.

This device is called Boîte@Clopes in France.

--Pyrog (talk) 06:31, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

Founded:

Tags	Count
amenity=waste_basket + waste=cigarettes	196
amenity=ashtray	37
amenity=waste_basket + ashtray=yes	197
public_transport=platform + ashtray=yes	7
highway=bus_stop + ashtray=yes	6

--Pyrog (talk) 07:51, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

Chewing-gum collector

How to tag these  nudge ?

• 
• 

Founded 2 objects tagged with amenity=waste_basket + waste=chewing_gum

--Pyrog (talk) 08:05, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

Underground waste disposal missing

Resolved

Hi there. At current, the amenity=recycling tag supports underground facilities using location=underground. No similar practice seems to exist for underground waste disposal systems, which are underground collection and compacting stations. I propose mentioning location=underground and underground waste disposal in the article as well. Larostos (talk)

If such places exist then mentioning this would be a good idea. Feel free to make an edit! @Larostos: Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 09:32, 24 January 2021 (UTC)

@Larostos: Where I'm fine with the first part of your addition location=underground for underground waste disposal systems., I don't see the rationale of the second part Not to be confused with underground recycling stations. For those, please use amenity=recycling as it's valid for any waste disposal, not only underground waste disposal. --Nospam2005 (talk) 13:58, 24 January 2021 (UTC)

@Nospam2005: With that I meant to remind readers that they should *really* check if the tube above ground is meant for waste and not recycling, as usually, it's recycling (at least in my personal experience). Compared to traditional recycling/waste containers, they might be harder to visually distinguish with only a cursory look. In that sense, it's similar in spirit to the comment "don't use this if the waste is not recycled" on "recycling:waste=yes/no" under amenity=recycling. But if you think such a reminder should be placed elsewhere, reformulated, or is not needed at all, please edit it accordingly. --Larostos (talk) 14:33, 24 January 2021 (UTC)

@Larostos: Done, I said the same IMHO in a slightly more subtle way, feel free to update and/or ack this thread with {{resolved}}. --Nospam2005 (talk) 15:06, 24 January 2021 (UTC)

building for waste disposal

• There is few building=trash_shed in TagInfo.
• This discussion suggest to use building=service + amenity=waste_disposal
  

--Pyrog (talk) 11:04, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

There's amenity=waste_transfer_station, regardless of size and process. --Kovposch (talk) 11:06, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

This is not bulk waste, just a small building or a "shed" used to store waste disposals. --Pyrog (talk) 12:00, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

This has nothing to do with "bulk waste". When you look at Waste Processing, it only mentions "is a collection point, where local trash is collected". I assume other articles are only documenting for the larger ones. If I take my garbage bag out from my home to a shed (it may also be containing or surrounded by large dumpsters) outside (for longer term storage, eventual collection, or any purpose), it may already be considered a waste transfer process. There are many steps in waste transfer, that's what I'm trying to say. Unless you are directly throwing any trash there (perhaps you can for large items as well), it may already qualify. It would help clear up my misunderstanding if you can translate the context you want to use it for. Similar situation was discussed in Talk:Proposed_features/recycling_type#How_does_this_differ_from_existing_tag.3F for recycling_type=centre. Wikipedia mentions "Transfer stations vary significantly in size and function. Some transfer stations allow residents and businesses to drop off small loads of waste and recycling" ---- Kovposch (talk) 18:08, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

When you look at amenity=waste_disposal here, it is writing about "medium and large waste bins, typically for bagged up household or industrial waste. They may be in the street, but they are not primarily for use by passing pedestrians.". It is unclear what "large waste transfer stations" means, when referring to amenity=waste_transfer_station. Compare, a related question on possibly somewhat larger facility has someone suggested eg amenity=waste_collection_centre in https://help.openstreetmap.org/questions/76542/local-self-service-waste-collection-station. ---- Kovposch (talk) 18:52, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

There is also https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/shed=garbage_collection (can be added to less specific building value) Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 15:44, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

Waste container collection point

I'd like to tag a piece of pavement that has been built specifically for collecting waste containers. These private waste containers are put on that piece of pavement monthly (for example) for the garbage truck to empty them. The location is indicated by a waste container pavement tile on either ends of the collection point. How would I tag this? Here is an example in Google Street View: [1] --Larshei (talk) 22:28, 19 March 2021 (UTC)

Operator

Say if the operator=* for a garbage dumpster should be

• The collection company on the label, who owns the dumpster, and the garbage trucks. Or,
• The building management, also on the label, who rents the dumpster. Or
• The tenants, who are the ones opening and closing the lid all day, putting their trash in it.

Jidanni (talk) 12:59, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

Where are all the trash cans?

In some countries, you won't find any trash cans or dumpsters in the alleys (or indeed alleys at all.)

Fear not. This is not a lack of mapping or a data error.

It's just that when the (first) garbage truck comes around, it plays the special garbage song, and people then come out of their houses lining up to toss their garbage into the truck, in person. You know, like Special Delivery of a Registered Letter, almost.

Then a few minutes later the (second) recycling truck comes around playing the recycling song... you get it.

Well, how about garbage cans in the park?

Well, those will be on the few side too, else people would put their household trash into them.

What about in or around convenience stores?

Yes, there will still be some there, under the watchful eye of the store clerk.

What might be this nonsense country you speak of? This had better be good.

Taiwan.

So is it some kind of a role model of progress, or backwards thinking or what?

All I'm trying to say is that this is what might explain the dip in Tag:amenity=waste disposal coverage in said country. So there is no need to assign special teams to swoop in and finish mapping them there... they won't find many. Jidanni (talk) 13:18, 10 August 2023 (UTC)