Talk:Tag:barrier=stile

Accessibility

Pretty sure such a barrier would be illegal in the US as it would completely deny access to the disabled. Even someone with a cane or walker. Rather incredible that such things exist. - KTyler 09:19, 13 May 2012 (BST)

Luckily they're (mostly anyway) only found in (rural) places where you couldn't get to them in a wheelchair, or would not venture a walk to if you needed a cane or a walker. And originally built before accessibility laws were even thought of. Alv 18:03, 14 May 2012 (BST)

Squeezer

I've used this tag at times (eugh), in the absence of a better one. I suggest that 'Pinchpoint' stile is more descriptive.Urbanrambler1 (talk) 18:53, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

In my experience (in the UK), they're usually called "squeeze stiles" rather than "squeezers" or "pinchpoints". Dave.Dunford (talk) 12:43, 2 October 2018 (UTC)

access values

Since there is no default given, I think the overall barrier-default of access=no will be assumed on routing. This, of course, is awkward on a device meant to grant access for walkers. Still, as long as foot=yes does not seem to be implied, I strongly recommend to tag any stile with foot=yes or even foot=designated additionally (and mention this in the wiki). --Kreuzschnabel (talk) 11:01, 28 March 2016 (UTC)

On the contrary, in general I would expect private stiles to be tagged access=private and others not so tagged should default to a minimum of foot=permissive. Of course it will be better to have access values explicit, but a) vast majority are on rights of way; b) often presence of stiles is best indicator of a PRoW in areas where signage is deficient; c) there are very low numbers of private stiles anyway. The more significant issue might be permissive access stiles which give access to ways where permission has been withdrawn. SK53 (talk) 13:02, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

Stile for bicycles

What tag to use for a stile that allow bicycle access? It look like a small cattle grid.

• barrier=stile + stile=cattle_grid ?

or

• barrier=cattle_grid ?

• 

  Jura, France

--Pyrog (talk) 09:49, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

As proposed on [OSM-talk-fr], barrier=stile bicycle=designated sounds good to me.

You could have raised the question on Talk:Key:barrier which may have a wider audience. --Nospam2005 (talk) 16:12, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

This looks sufficiently distinctive that it should have it's own stile tag value. It's not really a squeezer because without the grill element livestock could get through. Obviously bicycle=yes will get round the immediate problem, but I'd seriously suggest looking for an additional value for stile. (Note it has implications for pedestrians with limited mobility too) SK53 (talk) 19:54, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

Any stile implies a restriction for wheelchairs. With more "odd" values, the probability that it's managed by applications or rendering engines gets lower. --Nospam2005 (talk) 12:02, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

People with limited mobility is not a euphemism for wheelchair users, it encompasses many more people, many of whom can walk well on level ground, but are either not sure-footed (many older people) or who have lung complains which make steep or rough ground challenging. SK53 (talk) 13:04, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

Modified stile

"The primary historic interest will be the stone squeezer and ideally the preferred should be: barrier=stile, stile=squeezer & material=stone in this example." - if something used to be stile and was modified to no longer be stile, then it should not be tagged as stile, right? historic=squeezer or similar seems a better fit for tagging clear remains of stile Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 09:08, 26 February 2021 (UTC)

This seems bad phraseology. This is not referring to former stiles, but actively used stiles which form part of a typical landscape pattern which is of specific conservation value (stone walls with squeezers or wall stiles in the Peak District). Notionally, such stiles should be replaced because they impair access for all types of people, but because of their integral part of the landscape then they are effectively protected. SK53 (talk) 13:07, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

Is stile type used for anything or potentially useful?

"The tag stile=* can be used to provide details of the type of stile. The following have been used: " - I though about implementing a StreetComplete quest if this data is at least potentially useful for something (except potential use for 3D rendering, here potential use can be theorized for anything) Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 12:19, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

stile=*, often together with step_count=*, is generally of very high value & use. Different types of stiles can pose difficulties for older people and those with limited mobility. For instance a squeezer with step_count=1 will generally be readily accessible, a ladder stile may be far too difficult. I very recently searched for all stiles on a particular route in the Peak District so that we can try & avoid the difficult ones to enable my father to climb a hill. Material is also useful in some contexts (squeezers, stepovers): a stepover made of stone with a high step count is likely to be beyond someone like my Dad, whereas a wooden one with step count of 2 or less he can manage (albeit with a bit of help). SK53 (talk) 13:12, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for info! It means that StreetComplete quest may be worth implementing! I opened https://github.com/streetcomplete/StreetComplete/issues/2749 Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 15:06, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

So step_count=* also would be useful? That should be relatively to support in StreetComplete. Is there a consensus how it should be tagged - for example stile that has 2 steps on one side and 3 on another. Is it step_count=3 or step_count=5? Stile with 1 step on each side - is it step_count=1 or something else? Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 15:06, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

I haven't mapped step_count=* to any stiles, but I think it would make most sense to be the maximum number of steps on either side. In most (?) cases, there will be the same number of steps on both sides.--Confusedbuffalo (talk) 11:36, 16 April 2021 (UTC)

The larger of the two step counts either side si what I've always done SomeoneElse (talk) 23:20, 17 April 2021 (UTC)

Is it a stepover stile?

Is it also stile=stepover? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:WoodenStile.JPG Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 12:35, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

You may wish other opinions, but I'd call this a squeezer with step count = 1. In a step over it is necessary to swing one leg over the barrier, followed by the other leg. SK53 (talk) 13:13, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

I'd leave out "difficult to classify" ones from the pictures and guidance because (a) they're rare and (b) complicated examples may confuse. SomeoneElse (talk) 10:45, 18 April 2021 (UTC)

stile=hipster?

Just mapping a "squeezer" stile, & noticed that one of options that iD offers is "hipster".

Don't know the term so assume it's a variety of squeezer, in that there are posts or similar that you have to squeeze between?

Tried searching for "hipster stile gates", but the only thing G returned was beautiful people standing beside gates! :-)

Any thoughts, anybody? --Fizzie41 (talk) 06:17, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

iD offers top values from taginfo, without any human checks. By looking at https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/stile#values hipster is used 34 times - you can use Overpass (linked from taginfo - see https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/stile=hipster ) to find all instances and ask whoever added this what they meant. You can also create an issue at https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/issues and ask to not include really rare values in such listings (requires github account) Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 06:59, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

Thanks. From checking OP virtually all of them have been mapped by one user in the north of England, so I've sent them a message asking for clarification. Will update when I hear from them. --Fizzie41 (talk) 22:26, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

Good work. Looking at StreetView, I would call them squeezers myself. Jnicho02 (talk) 16:27, 13 January 2022 (UTC)

Heard back from OP & it would appear that "hipsters" is an old, local name used in that area. Those that have been mapped are gaps in stone walls, either deliberately made, or as a result of the walls collapsing over time, so you are getting through a gap between rocks, rather than metal posts, but that would seem to be the only, very fine, distinction? --Fizzie41 (talk) 23:54, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

Note that https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:barrier%3Dstile#Stile_type depicts stone-only squeezer style. Metal posts are not required and material can be tagged with material=* if someone wants Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 00:20, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

stile=insulated_section/ hose etc

I'm going through the stile#values and came across a couple like "insulated_section", "hose", "insulated_hose" etc. IMHO, that should somehow be under material=*, but I think I have come across them in real life, and what I saw where electric fences which had about a 0.4m section insulated with a hose or some other non-conducting material. It's basically a stepover situation, but I understand that whoever used those didn't feel that "stepover" was the right terminology. I have one on mapillary, hopefully the link works. Talking about electric fences, should we have one for when there is a plastic grip to open the electric fence? B-unicycling (talk) 10:24, 26 August 2022 (UTC)

I must have mapped a few, but can't remember what they are called. It may be worth checking with User:trigpoint as to whether these are actually regarded as acceptable on PRoWs. They are a subclass of stepover I think, in that you have to swing a leg over the top of the section & then swing the trailing leg over. If you can provide an overpass query I can see if I've mapped any or have photos of any. In CH a much more common arrangement, which i have seen in UK, is for a handle to break the electric fence allowing one to walk through, and therefore a kind of gate. Not sure how well they are mapped because by their nature the fences move (and in ski areas are obviously seasonal). SK53 (talk) 19:19, 26 August 2022 (UTC)

Further to this, I mapped this one 4044495448 4044495448 so should have a photo for discussion. SK53 (talk) 09:24, 27 August 2022 (UTC)

Size of dog gates

The first dog gate depicted would not be suitable for a large dog, such as an Irish Wolfhound. How should the size be indicated? Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 12:34, 28 January 2024 (UTC)