Talk:Tag:fountain=nasone

How it differs from man_made=water_tap? Inability to stop water stream? Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 14:59, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

Also, wouldn't it be better to have it as fountain:style=nasone or similar? Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 15:12, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

It is about a specific fountain type, not sure if style would be better or needed, as it is, if seems to work. Please note that you hardly will have any of these outside of the Rome area, it is a key for which you can introduce your own values for what makes sense locally. It isn’t essential information (as could be the fact that there is drinking water at all), but the tagging is quite established around here where it is relevant. Man_made=water_tap is a generic tag that can be added where it is true (where there is a tap/where you can shut the water flow, which mostly isn’t possible with nasone type drinking fountains) —Dieterdreist (talk) 09:06, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

Definition

According to this definition, 248743319 248743319 is not a nasone, because 1) the pipe is bent in a different way (with a knee, not a continuous curve), and 2) there are 3 water taps while it would be only one by the definition. --Fkv (talk) 11:16, 27 November 2022 (UTC)

Where do you see the requirement for a specifically bent pipe in the definition? —-Dieterdreist (talk) 14:48, 27 November 2022 (UTC)

Both images show a curved pipe, and your definition says: "Please use this tag only for the exact nasone type of drinking water fountains and not for similar or different drinking water fountains." --Fkv (talk) 15:28, 27 November 2022 (UTC)

no contradiction —-Dieterdreist (talk) 15:47, 27 November 2022 (UTC)

That's ridiculous. --Fkv (talk) 15:58, 27 November 2022 (UTC)

You are nitpicking, the round pipe is the typical pipe but there a sometimes variations, which still are all of the nasone type. The croation type is a type and the painted fountain is just an individual artwork/modification that is not required. —-Dieterdreist (talk) 19:54, 27 November 2022 (UTC)

When we introduced the tag after years of mapping this kind of feature, after a discussion in the local meetup group which was about 10 people at the time, the fountain key did not exist, and nobody else cared for types of drinking fountains. I don’t get it why people are picking on the nasone value that is really just relevant in this area (and maybe some single ones distributed in the world). Most mappers will neither see the tag nor the fountains, they can just ignore it. This is not the first attempt to map them but an iteration of former tagging (which unlike the fountain tag never got really used, also due to convoluted and unintuitive tagging). If you are local and see fountain=nasone it is clear what it means and easy to remember. If you aren’t, you won’t have to care. If you are visiting, you will find out soon. —Dieterdreist (talk) 20:01, 27 November 2022 (UTC)

If the pipe shape doesn't matter, you should clearly state that. If it doesn't matter, you should define what does. Mappers need objective criteria to decide what is a nasone and what is not. Wiki pages aren't there to document things for people who already know, but for people who don't know and would like to know. Mappers from all over the world might visit Rome and map fountains there, and application developers from all over the world might be interested in evaluating this tag. And who knows, maybe someone who likes that design builds (or has already built) a nasone elsewhere. --Fkv (talk) 20:16, 27 November 2022 (UTC)

The definition of Nasone is pretty clear even though it is not clear to you. The value is well defined and Dieterdreist did a wonderful job tagging all those fountains. If someone wants to know what is a Nasone, he will have to search an encyclopedia so that he can read an explanation; if someone wants to know where he can find a Nasone he can use a map. The map doesn't necessarily need to explain what is mapped. Davidoskky (talk) 21:58, 27 November 2022 (UTC)