Talk:Tag:shop=robot

This page should go through the proposal process

In my personal opinion, many of the tags are not optimal, as if you'd left out namespacing, meaning was still straight forward for shop=robot. Of course namespacing would be needed if some of these tags wont onto shop=computer or shop=electronics. As it is only an opinion, it would be best to run this through the proposal process so you could gather input from others. Here's a possible suggestion by incorporating already existing tags:

• set status=draft in the wiki metadata
• sales=* yes/no - default would be yes and only needed for no. As an alternative, sells:robot=yes/no would still work. If you insist, robot:sales=* may stay, although such namespacing is mostly useful where shops exist in which many different kinds of goods can be purchased in various combinations.
• second_hand=* yes/no/only
• rental=* (or service:robot:rental=*) yes/no/only
• repair=* (or service:robot:repair=*) yes/no/only
• parts=* (or service:robot:parts=*) yes/no/only

- Bkil (talk) 10:59, 23 October 2018 (UTC)

IMHO the "already existing tags" (like second_hand or rental) can't express what is sold or rented, especially for a shop=electronics (as mentioned below). I have no clue what the "service" prefix should be good for. rtfm Rtfm (talk) 20:18, 30 March 2019 (UTC)

Why not just shop=electronics?

Why not just shop=electronics? Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 14:25, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure most of the entries will be a shop=electronics,shop=computer,shop=department_store or shop=garden_centre (for lawn_mover robots), but how would you like to express what's sold ? (so these "subtags" may be used).rtfm Rtfm (talk) 20:18, 30 March 2019 (UTC)

As already mentioned above: shop=electronics + sells=robot;robot_parts. Bkil (talk) 18:11, 23 April 2019 (UTC)

You didn't get the point : What do you do about shops which sell different product types ? Especially how would an app or map find those values ? Generally this is a question of  Syntax,  Categorization and an easy  Data_reporting. With the system you proposed the possibilities to express something would simply be very restricted Rtfm Rtfm (talk) 11:49, 23 October 2020 (UTC)

IMO you still need to answer Mateusz Konieczny's original question. Why not just shop=electronics? From what I can tell that's what your using the tag on. None of the places sell robots. Just semi-automated toys, vacuums, or 3d printers. No one thinks 3d printers or drones are robots. --Adamant1 (talk) 05:51, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

shop=robotics

If so, I would very much prefer shop=robotics. The word "robotics" is clearly hardware and does not cause any confusion (especially here in the wiki, e.g. search function) with software (robot, bot). It also includes robot parts. -- Regards, Chris2map (talk) 18:56, 16 April 2021 (UTC)

Is it actually existing?

So far images used as a depiction were showing (1) something aspirational (and currently rather being leisure=hackerspace) (2) "art project". Can someone take picture of such shop, if they actually exist? Personally I expect that shops limiting themself to robots and not carrying electronics in general seem unlikely Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 10:11, 12 January 2023 (UTC)

Probably not, but I was trying to give RTFM the benefit of the doubt. Maybe there's places out there that sell or repair robotic vacuums at least. Although I don't think they would do it exclusively or call themselves robot shops.--Adamant1 (talk) 12:40, 12 January 2023 (UTC)

https://www.myrobotcenter.at Rtfm (talk) 18:40, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

The website appears to be under maintenance. What's the gist of it though? I assume they sell semi-automated vacuums, since that's the only thing I can think of on currently being to sold consumers that anyone would consider even slightly robotic. If that's the case, then I'd recommend just going with shop=vaccum_cleaner instead of re-inventing the tagging wheel for something that's a half-backed, remedial feature of the vacuums at best. Just like say no one is going to advocate for tagging Tesla car dealerships as shop=robot just because the cars have extremely underdeveloped self-driving features. Obviously Telsa's and self-driving cars more broadly aren't robots though. Nor are self-driving (for lack of a better term. Even though it's really a stretch of the technology to refer to them as self-driving) vacuums. So it would be ridiculous to use this tag on shops that sell either one.

That said, maybe there's actual robot stores in Japan or something? Like look into Robot Shop Technologia if your interested. Even in that case they are essentially selling 3d printers and basic kids toys that have moving tails and whatnot, which again isn't robots. Like I see one of the places you mapped with this tag has robot:type=vacuum;lawn_mower;3d_print;toy;drone. Sorry, but none of those are types of robots and there's already more established tags for general electronics stores. So, I guess this goes to back to Mateusz Konieczny's original comment. Do robot stores actually exist or is it just electronics stores that your mapping as shop=robot for some pointless reason? From what I can tell it seems to be the second one. So to reiterate his comment from two discussions above this that you didn't answer, Why not just shop=electronics? --Adamant1 (talk) 05:41, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

The image used in this article was from this shop, see also images on Google. It looks like it is a shop that sells robots and parts. maro21 18:21, 4 June 2023 (UTC)

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Lsrs%26rstorefront.jpg is described as " not an "actual" robot supply and repair shop (yet)" Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 17:24, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

My statement is not based on the description to that photo, but on the photos I linked. What kind of store do you think it is, looking at the photos there? The sentence you quoted is not complete, there is "not an "actual" robot supply and repair shop (yet)". maro21 17:52, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

I quoted also "(yet)" part Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 18:03, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

Does it really matter? You could just as easily argue it's just an electronics store. The fact that it has toys with electronic parts doesn't make it a store selling robots anymore then places like RadioShack were back in the day even though they had plenty of toys that would wiggle their tails if you pushed a button or whatever. When people use the term "robot" it insinuates a certain thing. One that doesn't usually include ROMBA vacuums or that stupid singing fish. The fact that the store has "robot" in their name just to make themselves sound cooler shouldn't matter either. It's not like there wasn't plenty of other reasons to block RTFM in the meantime either. But if your going to have an image in the article it should at least be of some place that's more then a glorified toy store or somewhere selling DIY single-board computer kits. --Adamant1 (talk) 02:25, 8 June 2023 (UTC)