Talk:Tag:tunnel=building passage
Car washes
Special:Diff/2121185 called out car washes as an example of when not to use this tag. I disagree: at least in my experience in the United States, the road going through a car wash is not indoors, so indoor=yes would be inappropriate. Modern touchless car washes may have glass doors at either end that close only at night, after hours, but functionally speaking, that would be no different than one of the examples in the article having a gate. Tagging it as an indoor road would be rather pedantic, in my opinion; it would be better to use tunnel=building_passage or perhaps covered=yes. Moreover, self-serve and hand washes typically have no doors, so the roads going through them would easily meet any definition of a building passage. A car wash building may have an office inside it, so there's a difference between being inside the building and merely going through the open car wash area.
- Car washes without doors
The on-duty attendant's office is indoors; the drive-throughs are not.
- Car washes with doors that (sometimes) close
There's a door, but the car wash is open 24/7, so it never closes except during hurricanes.
Maybe?
– Minh Nguyễn 💬 19:07, 12 May 2021 (UTC)
- I edited it a bit, hopefully for better. Note header image - https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Carwas.jpg seems to depict something where describing it as indoor would be likely expected. I also have seen some clearly indoor ones. Maybe it depends on whether there is a period of temperature below 0? Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 08:59, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
- These are common-ish in England, so finding some example images shouldn't be hard. Personally I wouldn't call the examples you gave to be building passages, but we don't have another way to tag them that I am aware of. Most of them kind of fit the description so it might just be me. The car washes you imaged I wouldn't say are building passages, but it greatly depends on the style of car wash. --GoodClover (a.k.a. Olive, GodClovere, ) (talk) 16:45, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
- I'm unable to find any good images of wide/road building passages, but here are some images of older footway ones. I may be able to go take some images of ones near me this weekend for use as examples.
- Definitely a building passage:
- Debatable about whether inside or not:
- The two road/wide ones:
- (Would be nice if we had an easy way to embed Geograph images) --GoodClover (a.k.a. Olive, GodClovere, ) (talk) 17:01, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
- @GoodClover: Thanks for the clarifying examples – the more the merrier. These images are all licensed under CC BY-SA 2.0, right? They can be uploaded to Commons and tagged with Commons:Template:Geograph for good measure. Unfortunately, there isn't a streamlined upload interface like there is for Flickr. – Minh Nguyễn 💬 23:54, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
@Mateusz Konieczny: File:Carwas.jpg is an automatic car wash. From the photo alone, I can't tell for sure whether it would be indoor or outdoors, but some of the "car washes with doors" I posted above have similar rigs. In the U.S., they're known as "car wash tunnels", and the door is really an afterthought for security purposes, no different than a gate. (The car wash from New Orleans pictured above closes a few days out of the year when a hurricane rolls through town. Not far from there, the famous Café du Monde closes under exactly the same circumstances, yet we wouldn't tag it disused:amenity=cafe.)
With the indoor car washes you're thinking of, do the doors ever close while in use? That would seem more like an indoor setup to me. I guess I've never encountered something like that before, because car washes in northern states are only operational during the warmer months. There's little point in getting a car wash when road salt and slush would immediately muck everything back up.
The doorless car washes are almost always at manual car washes. Sometimes one of the bays is automatic, but these are low-budget operations with cheaper rigs that don't need protection from the elements or vandals.
– Minh Nguyễn 💬 00:10, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
- @Minh Nguyen: "With the indoor car washes you're thinking of, do the doors ever close while in use?" - at least in some cases doors are closed between uses of car wash, no idea whether they are closed as car is being washed. "There's little point in getting a car wash when road salt and slush would immediately muck everything back up." at least some people in Poland wash cars during winter because cars get dirty quickly some also with intention to reduce salt damage (no idea is it actually helping). Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 19:41, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
For completeness' sake, here's an example of a full-service car wash that would be mapped as a building=roof with a covered=yes going under it: [1]. This style of car wash was common in the U.S. in the 1960s but persists in some places as a throwback, similar to drive-in movie theaters and diners. – Minh Nguyễn 💬 19:29, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
@Minh Nguyen: - do you think that this page currently requires changes? Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 15:49, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
- @Mateusz Konieczny: I removed the mention of car washes some time ago. The article no longer says whether to use this tag for car wash tunnels, but it is commonly used for those anyways. Unfortunately, it’s even more common for the service road going under a gas pump canopy to be tagged as a tunnel instead; I think that’s clearly incorrect and could be called out in the article instead. – Minh Nguyễn 💬 05:56, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
Roofs between buildings
Sometimes there is a building=roof joining two separate buildings with a highway going through. While surrounded by walls, they are the outer walls of the two surrounding buildings. Should the highway be tagged as covered=yes or tunnel=building_passage?
- While tunnel=building_passage may be argued to be reflecting the 2 sides being enclosed, I find that we should respect the val named for going through a building itself. The information not conveyed in covered=yes could fall in an implicit / spatial relationship. Kovposch (talk) 10:45, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
- This does feel like a building passage to me, partly because of the typical "portal" design. --Tordanik 16:33, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
- tunnel=building_passage seems more fitting, but I would not consider covered=yes + building=roof area as an error here Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 17:16, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
Why "Do not use tunnel=building_passage and covered=yes at the same time."
Why does the wiki suggest "Do not use tunnel=building_passage and covered=yes at the same time."? Someone even created a MapRoulette Challenge in order to cleanup this kind of tagging https://maproulette.org/browse/challenges/27019. I wonder, what the issue is with having covered=yes on those elements? — IMO it is not wrong. It looks to me it is non-nessecary since no building_passage will be covered=no. So the only reason to discorage usage would be that we don't want to add tags that are implicit, right? In this case, I suggest changing the wiki to: "Do not use tunnel=building_passage and covered=yes at the same time since all building_passage are considered covered and the additional tag does not add any meaning to the object" (or something like this). --Tordans (talk) 06:00, 14 February 2023 (UTC)
- Edited Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 05:00, 15 February 2023 (UTC)
Resolved: Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 15:48, 12 October 2023 (UTC)Entrance in building_passage
How to map an entrance to a building that is inside of a building passage? I see the following options:
- tag the entrace on the way. Maybe the entrance can be tagged as being on the right or left side?
- tag a small building_passage way perpendicular, and then the entrance at the end of it?
- create an area building passage, possibly with an additional straight way inside of it for routing
- split up the building somehow, map the different heights of the building.
any opinions?
- @MrBean: I did "tag a small building_passage way perpendicular, and then the entrance at the end of it?" in my mapping. You can also map building:part=* objects if you want Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 15:48, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
Relationship with building:min_level=*
What is the relationship between this tag and building:min_level=*? Should a building that has a building passage below it ideally be split into building:part=*s, with the part above the passage tagged with e.g. building:min_level=1 in this example? Or do we expect renderers to draw a gap in the building like in this example just based on the tunnel=building_passage tag alone? If so, how would the renderers know how tall to draw the gap (two levels in this case)? Confusingly, the example picture from OSM2World is both on the page for tunnel=building_passage as an example of a building_passage and on the page for building:levels=* as an example of building levels, but neither page references the other. Osmuser63783 (talk) 06:21, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
